The Speech from Hype and Change

[bivenator]

Originally Posted by kstarnes

BTW, which other of the claimed facts do you think are not facts?

Edit: On second thought, I don't think there is anything constructive that can come from someone who enters what could have been a reasonable debate with statements like this, directed at me:

+1 or maybe 150 billion

[dipso]

Originally Posted by Hugh R

It takes my breath away (in a bad suffocating way) when I read that dipso says he looked at Mule's list and says "Not that silly old list". My God, this guy outright says that he's going to take another $6,770 out of my annual income to fund his social programs, plus even more out of social security which is currently giving me about -2% return on my money. Plus Cali wants to take another 1% sales tax out of me. I truly believe that this is the last generation and I'm 54 that will have an opportunity to put away some wealth (however small) for their retirement. Having a $10 Trillion national debt (btw, that's 10 thousand billion) dollar national debt is sort of like you making $100,000/year and thinking to your self that you can actually pay off a credit card debt of $10 million.

Did you vote for Bush? Well I didn't and I wish that fool was never in office.

If you are the man of the house, and I know you are, you shouldn't spend all of your families savings and then borrow in your families name. Somebody is going to have to pay that back. Bush is leaving you with the bill.
Good job.

Unfortunately, this time around, It is us. Yeah, were screwed, but what are you going to do? Vote for the guy who is going to pass it off to the next generation. Jesus dude, suck it up and pay the piper.

Your guy screwed everybody. You think your pissed, how would you like to be me? I am running a business in this crappy Bush situation. I didn't even vote for the retard.
I knew he was an idiot the first time I saw him try to speak.

People are losing their homes, debt up to their ass. Gas, food, everything cutting in to my clients discretionary budget.

I deal with people who have money so it is not really a big deal, so far. But I do see the difference in job size.

What do you want from me? So you have to pay 500 dollars a month more in taxes, sorry.
I didn't cause this problem but I am willing to try and fix it.

Hugh, don't take that the wrong way. You are one of the few people here that I haven't argued with.

[dipso]

Originally Posted by kstarnes

BTW, which other of the claimed facts do you think are not facts?

Edit: On second thought, I don't think there is anything constructive that can come from someone who enters what could have been a reasonable debate with statements like this, directed at me:

I just took the top two on the list.

Since when does #11 most partisan mean non-partisan?

Since when does anyone, mean everyone?


Can "anyone" answer? If i don't get a response from everyone I will assume I am right.

[Jim Sims]

"Having a $10 Trillion national debt (btw, that's 10 thousand billion) dollar national debt is sort of like you making $100,000/year and thinking to your self that you can actually pay off a credit card debt of $10 million."

Not quite; it's more like having a debt of $146,000 associated with that $100,000/year income.

The national debt is now at ~9,600 billion dollars compared with a current annual GDP of ~14,000 billion dollars. For historical comparison, in 1947 the national debt was at 258 billion dollars and the 1947 GDP was 244 billion dollars. In 1947 the national debt per capita was about 150% of personal income, today it is roughly 80%.

[Tobra]

Originally Posted by rouxroux

No, FOOTBALL season begins tomorrow night (everything else is just "warmup")

don't tell me, LSU has their opener tomorrow

Mule, quit muddying up the water with facts, you bastard

[DanielDudley]

Originally Posted by BeyGon

When the McCain people get finished with Obamas speech he is going to feel like a young Muslim boy lost in an Iranian village. His but is going to be sooo big, he had sooo many false statements, it will be fun to watch
Hype and Change, Hype and Change, the sheep were orgasmic.

If they argue like RLOT Republicans, it will be a lot of name calling and finger pointing. My guess is that they will also promise to do better than Bush, and offer to fix the problems their party created, while offering more of the same.

And you guys will buy it, hoping that you can put off paying the bill for your own party.

[DanielDudley]

Originally Posted by Mule

# 19 Claims famous in Il. for not letting lobbyists even buy him lunch; took from teachers, trial lawyers, hospital admins
# 18 Claims his parents met at Selma civil rights march; Washington Post noted it occurred 4 yrs after Obama's birth
# 17 BO claims courageously opposed war in 2002 during US Senate campaign; He did not announce his senate bid until 2003
# 16 Claims he passes tough Nuclear Law; NYT uncovers he took Nuclear Industry pay-off and watered down the bill
# 15 Claimed he didn't know Rezko was corrupt when did a real estate deal with him; Chicago papers prove he lied
# 14 Claims does not accept money from Big Oil: Real Clear Politics proves he lied
# 13 Denies using his Hopefund PAC to influence endorsers; but the Washington Post reviewed the record and disagreed
# 12 Claims his State Chair is not a drug company lobbyist; Time magazine cries Bull****
# 11 Lies about how much he received in campaign funds from Rezko; forced to significantly increase the amount twice
# 10 Claims he did not fill out the 1996 candidate questionaire; Politico proves he lied
# 9 Took credit for achievement of others in Chicago; resume puffing exposed by LA Times
# 8 Claims he kept no State Senate records; now he changes his story
# 7 Denies doubling wife's salary was due to becoming US Senator; omits within months he earmarked $1 million for hospital
# 6 Denied meeting Saddam bagman Auchi; now admits he was at his dinner but does not remember talking to him
# 5 Denies using his church for politics: IRS disagree
# 4 Claims he was unaware of Pastor Wrights 911 comments: NYT proves he lied
# 3 Claims his father was a goat-herd; actually he was a man of privilige
# 2 Claims not an active muslim as child; Indonesian paper proves he lied
# 1 Claims father linked to Kennedys; Washington Post proves he lied

AFAIK, he never lied about WMDs. AFAIK, he isn't pretending to be a moderate like McCain.

It seems to me that booga-booga and nit picking is all about small crap that many would like to escalate into big signifigance. The fact of the matter is that he is sayng the party will be over if he gets elected, and this scares the pants off of the far left and big business.

Screwing the middle class isn't the way to make an economy function. Going for maximum profits isn't always going to steer big business into responsible actions.

Going for first class education, paying off our foreign debt, and encouraging American businesses to create new jobs in this country while diversifying are all good things. Decreasing dependance on foreign oil is not a bad thing. Big business is not going to go broke, but the status quo is unsustainable. That should be obvious after the last eight years. We simply can't sustain a cold war approach against the whole world, and we are not going to be the only economic super power with India and China booming, and Russia having those vast reserves of oil.

We need to adjust for the thirty year sprint. It doesn't matter which party does it, but Obama is the only one saying it. McCain needs to address this, and show he understands it.

[BeyGon]

The WSJ today, on the Speech from Hype and Change, good reading, still Democrats probably don't read it and even if they do they won't believe it.
Facts don't seem to matter to the Obama cult.

[tobster1911]

Originally Posted by dipso

I just took the top two on the list.

Since when does #11 most partisan mean non-partisan?

11 out of how many? You are being evasive. Does he have to be #1 for you to feel he is non-partisan?

Since when does anyone, mean everyone?

I suppose you are correct that if only one person somehow somewhere has her on their list......
But it does make for a very lame comment since even the guy making the statement does not believe it enough to put it into action.