Shaun's jumped the shark
 

Well Shaun, you have risen to the top of the anti-Palin sentiment here on this board, surpassing posters who are usually much less coherent and capable of rational thought than you. Indeed, across the country, we're seeing that only the looniest of the left are attacking this candidate. Everyone else on the spectrum just takes this as corroboration of the abject terror that the Obamanation is experiencing right now. It is consolidating the base and making converts out of swing voters. This just seems to be spurs in the flanks of Obama zealots like yourself.

Indeed, your shrill is surely causing every hound dog in Cambridge to howl. Your ear-splitting onslaught on this subject lacks even the Soup-like tactical maneouvering characterizing your posts lately. It is just full-on, uncorked diatribes. When rational points are brought up, you just yell louder. Indeed, every time your credibility creeps back up a notch, you take two steps back with your Palin position or gas 'logic'.

Why are you so dogged in your attack of this woman, while blithely glossing over all the questions about Obama? As smart as you are, what has happened in your life that makes you cling to the notion that, as an entrepreneur, you're going to be better off in the Obamastration?

I invite your response. Make it quick though, before the ban fairy comes to visit you and give you your reward for your latest tirade.

Palin attended University of Idaho. So did I. Our ages are presumably not that different. So I'm wondering, recalling my time there, recounting my experiences, to see if I can remember nailing her while I was there. She does look vaguely familiar.

Yup. I used to enjoy my debates with Shaun. Though I frequently didn't agree, I felt he was intelligent and articulate with his arguments. But the closer the election gets, the more of a party shrill he has become, frequently stooping to behavior that is below sad, desperate, and disgusting. There's a reason I'm now ignoring his threads. It's really sad what politics can do to people.

You'd get a high-five for that one!:p

Shaun has been consistant in his liberalism...as has super.

This morn's OREGONIAN made me grumble, tho. Covering Obama's visit here earlier in the year, the rag ran a front page illustration of him. Head raised, eyes skyward, for all the world looking like the 2nd coming.

Today's editorial page, an illustration of Sarah Palin...making her look like a crone.
Along with that, an editorial blasting her.

Gotta love THE OREGONIAN. They save my doing homework on elections. I just read their endorsements. Then vote the opposite. When I bother to vote, that is.
I'm still debating whether or not to sign up for this one, thus participating in an election I believe to be rigged.

+1000

maybe if he get rid of all the oil platforms in the gulf, Palin will get caught washed away by a hurricane?
Incoherent nonsense is all I've seen from Shaun lately.

He's the new Rodeo.

I guess when you are caught in hypocrisy and you are losing debates, go personal, yeah, that's got to work.:D

I love the 8:1 "Conservative" : Liberal numbers here. You guys all line up with the same talking points just to get shot down. And since I've been awarded honorary Conservative status on many many occasions, recently by Tim Hancock, and I can "out-Republican" you, you guys sound a little hollow.

Republican Family Values now include unwed teen mothers. Love it!

Way to prove everyone wrong.:rolleyes: You just have to get your shots in, don't you?

Republicans, Democrats, whatever, all folks make mistakes. The "Family Values" part kicks in with the birth of the baby and the support of the family. I am the product of a young Mom as well, and I'm glad to be here. :)

Seems sort of unfair attacking a 17 year old soon-to-be Mom who made a mistake, along with the young Father.

I hope my little girl doesn't make the same mistake, but all of the good parenting and support I can provide will not guarantee she doesn't. Don't you understand this?

Good luck.

Best,

My sister was stupid and got pregnant when she was 17. Her son has grown up to graduate from college and become a radiologist. The world did not end.

Kurt, I think the family values kick in before the teens are knocking knees. Parents need to less hands off with their kids...not controlling, but more involved in open discussions about the other aspects of the joys of sex.

Yes, they do. Having the child, raising and supporting the child, loving the child are all republiucan values.

The democrat family values are to either kill the baby before it's born, or let the government support it.

Of course you wouldn't know anything about parenting, you don't have any kids. Remember?

How dare he? The humanity! :eek:


:p

As I stated in the other thread: "Support, not abort".

Remember, lord B-HO stated he did not wither of his daughters "punished" with a child if they ever make a mistake.

I LOVE watching the left reel, squirm and attack when they've been trumped.

We grew up in a lower middle class family. At times almost poverty level. We knew right from wrong. We got the sex talks. Unfortunately teenage hormones can overcome almost any set of values.

I know. I have the same kind of background. It requires persistence on the parents' part. :)

Of course Jim, but no amount of "Family Values" upbringing insulates against big mistakes. I did not mean to imply it only starts after an early pregnancy/birth.

I'm not sure about talking about "the joys of sex" with little girls, but I do understand that sex is a very natural thing that needs to be explained very early in a child's life, FWIW.

Best,

I'm still looking for the one human on earth that didn't defy their parents and make stupid decisions as a teen. Anyone?

Lemme get this straight. Mule and Byron are okay, but you're saying Shaun is out-of-bounds? Is that your position?

I love how this thread has turned! But I think it's just Dave's Social Experiment. I count Dave as a good friend. He knows I'm working round the clock and I think he wants me to focus on the business more. he could be right.

Great point...well made.

Wellthat would NOT be me Matt. I ask this though. Wouldn't forcing this young mother to marry at 17 yrs old be another mistake? Certainly the father must be involved but do you really think such a marriage would last?

Are they being forced to marry? Do "we" even have enough information to judge what is best for them?

Are you serious? Forced? Mom is made VP pick based on CORE Conservative Family Values and you think she has a choice? The boyfriend could have slipped her a date rape drug and she'd still be marrying him.

My heart goes out to that child. But then today's high school kids are notorious for their good judgment, like proper use of birth control for example.

I think there's a lot of out-of-bounds posters on this board. You're frequently one of them (queue up the trademark charming Soup "MOI???!!" response #541 now, please). What gives me pause is when someone who is otherwise articulate and rational, really goes suddenly and violently nuts.

Let's be clear: most of the time Shaun is stirring the pot just to watch the usual suspects howl. When I saw him dropping the f-word not once but twice on Randy I thought 'wow, he's really serious this time' and I just had to ask what it was about this candidate that's got him so worked up. Shaun does not generally profane.

That's why I started the thread. There are plenty of posters here who are out of bounds most or all of the time. I expect nothing less (and nothing more). I have never used the ignore feature here, but usually when it comes to these posters, I just skip over them. At best, I read a line or two, roll my eyes, and move on. That's on both sides of the political fence, by the way.

Superman is Track Palins' daddy. You heard it here first.
See the resemblance?

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Me;)

I had the best parents on the planet earth and still made significant errors in judgment. They were honestly open, caring, thoughtful and non-controlling parents, like you read about. They were also firm about the basics of what they honored in a child, in a adult, and their peers.

Frankly, that was their gift to me. Even when I was a stupid teen, they always had a standard I understood. The fact that I didn't meet that standard at times when I was a teenager didn't mean I didn't or couldn't as I matured.

Family values are a goal for some, an ideal to strive for...individual teen failure to achieve that goal is not an indictment of the ideal.

Shaun, you have been a pleasure in the past.

Not yet. Photoshop him into a dress and a moustache and I'll ponder further.

:d:d:d

No, we don't. But that won't stop some from believing they KNOW the TRUTH, and spreading it as such (see above). What's particularly nasty is that there are a bunch of adults spreading nasty rumors about a 17 year old. Sad, sad, sad.

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j/k Sup :D

The interesting part of this is that Palin vetoed a bill to support teen mothers:

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the Republican vice-presidential nominee who revealed Monday that her 17-year-old daughter is pregnant, earlier this year used her line-item veto to slash funding for a state program benefiting teen mothers in need of a place to live.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/02/palin_slashed_funding_to_help.html?hpid=artslot

no

Yes, very serious.

So you do know they were forced to marry? Sounds to me like you are assuming, based on your own judgments, yes?

You could be right, but it's not an assumption I would feel comfortable making.

FWIW.

Huh?

Outside of Dems, et al, (including three prominant Republican conservative contributors to the National Review :eek:) questioning her background (that's hardly "attacking"), all I'm seeing on the news are Republicans in a frenzied state of ecstatic conversion to maverick reformers (LOL!) who're champing at the bit to clean up the Republican mess that all the Republicans in the Republican administration have made of things these last 8 years.

What the hell! They gonna beat themselves up? Funny stuff :D.

Meanwhile Obama, speaking for the Democratic Party, has had the common courtesy to ask his supporters to refrain from dragging Palin's (however "illegitimately pregnant" anyone in it happens to be) family into the arena.

Too, too ludicrously funny :D.

It is sad. As I said in another thread, and as a Father of a Daughter, I would not think very highly of folks making judgments about my family and how we should live, especially the folks who know absolutely nothing about my family and I except what they might read in the press.

It does boggle the brain, yes? :)

Best,

Don't recall exactly what you are referring to, but I too am a perplexed when I hear one of the very few lefties here that I some semblence of respect for at times, buy into the Obama folly while viciously attacking anyone on the right.

Reminds me of a good friend of mine who on all accounts would support the republican party on the majority of issues, but instead votes democrat because he is still bitter about Reagan firing him when he was an air traffic controller.

Yeah, Shaun!

You're too vicious for your shirt too vicious for your shirt
So vicious it hurts
And you're too vicious for Milan too vicious for Milan
New York and Japan

How virtuous. He knows that he can save face and distance himself from the mudslinging. All the while his little loser blogger minions are busy making up stories and photoshops. It's all for the better I suppose, they're so worked up because of the obvious threat she poses to their "destiny".

Kurt, I also have a daughter, so we're in the same boat. This poor girl's life has no place in the public eye, those who tormet her are quite frankly dickless cowards. No man (or woman) with any sense of integrity or virtue publicly abuses a 17 year old pregnant girl to further his agenda. Can you imagine the fury of her father?