oohhh, barracuda

[BlueSkyJaunte]

Originally Posted by Nostatic

The Star Spangled Banner thing is bad as well, but not unexpected. The Chinese have an "interesting" take on copyright.

Huh? They're flat-out lying and saying it was their work entirely.

Even so, because it's "not unexpected", it deserves less criticism?

[nostatic]

What do you expect me to say? If they used his arrangement and didn't pay for it, then it is wrong. Period.

But I didn't start a thread on that, and your link was the first I'd ever seen about it.

Sorry, but I'm not the China fan-boy that some people think. They do plenty of reprehensible stuff. But I'm also not a xenophobe and I understand some of the cultural context for their issues. Just like I understand why the "n" word is verboten for whites and not for blacks. The world isn't a simple place...

[dd74]

Sampling is what I don't get. Rappers were getting away with sampling other musician's work for years, IIRC.

I think "Rapper's Delight" by Sugarhill Gang was the first sampled song I'd heard.

[304065]

Originally Posted by nostatic

Has the McCain campaign mentioned "fair use" as a defense?

Either the DNC got the rights to the song or Bono doesn't care.

And you know that the only way that copyright essentially exists is for holders to protect their mark.

Is it political? Of course. Art is political. But there also are laws about this sort of stuff. As for the "commercial intent", you don't think there is $$$ at stake here? Also the Lanham Act doesn't require a financial stake if I understand it correctly.

The Star Spangled Banner thing is bad as well, but not unexpected. The Chinese have an "interesting" take on copyright.

I don't know, I haven't seen their response to Jackson Browne's complaint.

Look, a copyright violation occurs when somebody passes off the work of another as their own with the expectation of profit. If I want to express my First Amendment rights to protest something and I decide to do it by singing "Power In A Union" by Billy Bragg (one of the all-time greats IMHO and my inspiration for picking up the guitar), have I violated Bragg's copyright by using his song in furtherance of my First Amendment Rights? What if somebody hears my protest and decides to buy his record? Haven't I actually stimulated sales by in effect giving him free airtime?

What makes it any different, in the eyes of the law, what my political viewpoint is?

Also, artists ROUTINELY give a blanket license to organizations like ASCAP to perform their works (think cover bands) it's hard to claim that you've been rigorously enforcing it in every case.

Bottom line, this is a thinly veiled attempt to use litigation to harass and delay the Republican Party and supress the First Amendment rights supposedly held dear by the left. I am a staunch Civil Liberterian first and foremost and think it's BS.

[Seric]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

No publicity is bad publicity. Granted, what the RNC did was wrong. One just has to wonder if they would have raised a stink if it was the DNC.

I went to grade school, junior high school, and high school with the younger of the two (forget which one; geez that was a long time ago...). Weird chick. No friends; sat and played the guitar and hardly went to class. I used to watch them at a place called Waldo's when I was too young to legally get in, before they made it big. They always put on a great show. Lots of fun.

I remember when Nancy's house slid down an embankment during some particularly heavy rains, and landed in Lake Washington (same 'hood as where Cobain de-brained). The big joke was that Ann must have been running down the hall or something...

Jesus, Waldo's has been around for that long?? It's still there btw...

[nostatic]

Originally Posted by john_cramer

I don't know, I haven't seen their response to Jackson Browne's complaint.

Look, a copyright violation occurs when somebody passes off the work of another as their own with the expectation of profit. If I want to express my First Amendment rights to protest something and I decide to do it by singing "Power In A Union" by Billy Bragg (one of the all-time greats IMHO and my inspiration for picking up the guitar), have I violated Bragg's copyright by using his song in furtherance of my First Amendment Rights? What if somebody hears my protest and decides to buy his record? Haven't I actually stimulated sales by in effect giving him free airtime?

What makes it any different, in the eyes of the law, what my political viewpoint is?

Also, artists ROUTINELY give a blanket license to organizations like ASCAP to perform their works (think cover bands) it's hard to claim that you've been rigorously enforcing it in every case.

Bottom line, this is a thinly veiled attempt to use litigation to harass and delay the Republican Party and supress the First Amendment rights supposedly held dear by the left. I am a staunch Civil Liberterian first and foremost and think it's BS.

"Delay the Republican Party"?

boy, you are a lawyer...

I guess the courts will decide. At the core is a question of what rights an artist maintains over their work. This isn't limited to music. There are tons of gray areas around this stuff.

The bottom line is that the RNC is stupid imho for doing it. You'd think they would have clued in after the Browne incident, but evidently they either don't care or are idiots. I don't see them defending their actions, claiming fair use, etc. I'm betting it is more along the lines of them thinking it was a good idea and either not thinking or not really giving a damn what the artists thinks. Neither of those are acceptable to me.

[Don Plumley]

Music invokes strong emotional response in people. That's why jingle-writers write jingles and why Mercedes paid the Estate of Janis Joplin*. If any politician wants to use a song to reinforce a candidate, they should ask permission of the holder. Does not matter to me if it is Obama or Your Mama.

*Janis did not own a Mercedes, but did own a 1965 Porsche 356.

[Les Paul]

My future wife bought me the first Heart album when I was turned 21. She was 18 we'd been dating for 3 weeks. Now 33 years later. They rocked and were good looking. Over the years we bought their albums then CD's. Even saw them do an acoustic show about 6 or 7 years ago. I never considered them political. I knew the fat girl was married to the Rolling Stone writer that wrote Fast Times at Ridgemont High.

Who had heard any Heart except from classic rock stations lately? It is win win for them. The libs will praise them and maybe buy their old stuff again. Who knows? The RNC probably doesn't give a fiddlers f--- so did it without their permission. It gets them back in the spotlight which they hadn't been in a very long time.

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by dd74

Good catch! I noticed the same. I knew something was strange about Heart playing during the convention. I wondered, Are Anne and Nancy Republicans?

Ok, Mister. Did you watch the f'ing convention or not?

You are an internet Man of Mystery.

[Brillo]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

No publicity is bad publicity. Granted, what the RNC did was wrong. One just has to wonder if they would have raised a stink if it was the DNC.

Of course not. They are afraid of being associated with Republicans

[nostatic]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

Ok, Mister. Did you watch the f'ing convention or not?

You are an internet Man of Mystery.

he only watched it for the articles.

No wait, read it for the pictures.

arrghhh....math is hard!

[Oh Haha]

Barracuda rocks!!

It's one song that takes me back to my youth every single time I hear that beginning.

dig-diggadig-diggadig-diggadig-diggadigaaaa
(that is one CRUNCHY guitar sound, ,boys)


Plus, Nancy is still freakin' hot!!!

[dd74]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

Ok, Mister. Did you watch the f'ing convention or not?

You are an internet Man of Mystery.

Uh-Oh. My cat's out of her bag.

(yes, I watched the convention - and the speeches when CNN replayed them - I was out riding when they first aired. Both McCain and Palin were very good, IMO.)

[dd74]

Originally Posted by nostatic

...math is hard!

Now, my other cat is out of her bag.

[cmccuist]

The bump music for Rush Limbaugh's show was written by someone who doesn't share his political views of the issues. I can't remember her name, but she was fine with it being played about 5-6 times a day every day.

Her argument was that it's getting played, and 25 million people per day are hearing it. That's why she wrote it.

[dd74]

Alanis Morissette? Dionne Warrick? No...no...Boy George?

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by Les Paul

I knew the fat girl was married to the Rolling Stone writer that wrote Fast Times at Ridgemont High.

Actually it's Nancy that's married to him, Ann is single.

He also wrote the movie Singles which had just about every band that broke out of Seattle in it.

Matt Dillon has a lead role and his bandmates are Pearljam. Soundgarden is in it, alice in Chains, Screaming Trees are on the soundtrack, Mother Love Bone.

The Wilson Sisters own a studio in Seattle where al those guys went to record.

Wilson sisters have another band The Lovemongers, look for their rendition of Battle of Evermore.

[cmccuist]

It's Chrissie Hynde. And the group is the Pretenders

[nostatic]

Chrissie rocks, but the key is that *she* made the choice, and that others didn't rationalize what she should or should not do.

[cmccuist]

Exactly, she was cool about it. Didn't drag her politics into her art. Don't some of these "artists" realize that if they start bumping thier gums, people will stop buying their albums and stop paying to see their movies - i.e. Dixie Chicks.