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[dd74]

Originally Posted by fintstone

Sheesh! They played it at a feakin convention...they did not reproduce or broadcast it. The Wilsons are either just trying to get a little publicity...or are just plain stupid...maybe both. If the use was actually improper, they would have sued instead of asking for an injunction.

You don't get it, do you?

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by Sonic dB

But it was 'broadcast' on TV right? I didnt see it but if it was, then they are entitled to synch rights if they own the publishing... but at the very least, they are entitled to speak up if they dont like their song to be used as a political promo.

It was not broadcast by Palin or the RNC.

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by dd74

You don't get it, do you?

No, I don't get it. Why do silly-assed liberals make up so much crap to whine about...when they clearly cannot make a case? Do they enjoy looking stupid?Perhaps you can explain.

[Drew001]

Originally Posted by fintstone

It was not broadcast by Palin or the RNC.

lol. Truly dense.

[Sonic dB]

Originally Posted by fintstone

It was not broadcast by Palin or the RNC.

eh, dont be to sure about that...technically yes, but it was their convention.

esample gave the best description of what goes on in these situations, however if the song had been used as part of the campaign officially....then the songwriters WOULD have rights beyond ASCAP's "blanket liscense" for arenas etc. My guess is that Heart does own at least part of the publishing which is why (other than the benefits of publicity and political posturing) they are making the stink.

[dd74]

Originally Posted by fintstone

No, I don't get it. Why do silly-assed liberals make up so much crap to whine about...when they clearly cannot make a case? Do they enjoy looking stupid?Perhaps you can explain.

Who's making up crap to whine about? You're the loudest whiner on this thread? And making an idiot of yourself in the process. The GOP took and played the music without Heart's permission.

Copyright attorneys live for ignorance like yours. You're the type that keeps them employed.

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by Drew001

lol. Truly dense.

Wow Drew! You really made the typical liberal, solid, fact-filled, well thought out, logical argument there...and then have the nerve to call someone else "dense". Obama would be proud.

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by dd74

Who's making up crap to whine about? You're the loudest whiner on this thread? And making an idiot of yourself in the process. The GOP took and played the music without Heart's permission.

Copyright attorneys live for ignorance like yours. You're the type that keeps them employed.

They did not need Heart's permission to play it. They paid for the right to play it via ASCAP, just like anyone else would...sheesh. Unless, Heart had some special freaky contract with ASCAP which only allowed the song to be played in certain venues for certain purposes...then they don't have a leg to stand on. If they did, we would have already heard about it and Heart would be suing ASCAP instead of whining to the Daily KOS.

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by Sonic dB

eh, dont be to sure about that...technically yes, but it was their convention.

esample gave the best description of what goes on in these situations, however if the song had been used as part of the campaign officially....then the songwriters WOULD have rights beyond ASCAP's "blanket liscense" for arenas etc. My guess is that Heart does own at least part of the publishing which is why (other than the benefits of publicity and political posturing) they are making the stink.

1. Heart did not write the song
2. AFAIK, political parties do not broadcast conventions...perhap you should be suing CNN or MSNBC

[Drew001]

Originally Posted by fintstone

Wow Drew! You really made the typical liberal, solid, fact-filled, well thought out, logical argument there...and then have the nerve to call someone else "dense". Obama would be proud.

It's weak that you have to take a jab at Obama just to take a jab - Obama has nothing to do with this.

If you don't understand what the word "broadcast" means, then I have to conclude that you are dense.

Occasionally, You actually post something worth reading which is why I haven't filtered out your noise (like I have most of the other Right-wingers), but you are being deliberately obstinate in this thread.

And btw, I'm not really a liberal. I'd say I'm more of a Libertarian.

[dd74]

Originally Posted by fintstone

They did not need Heart's permission to play it. They paid for the right to play it via ASCAP, just like anyone else would...sheesh. Unless, Heart had some special freaky contract with ASCAP which only allowed the song to be played in certain venues for certain purposes...then they don't have a leg to stand on. If they did, we would have already heard about it and Heart would be suing ASCAP instead of whining to the Daily KOS.

Here's the problem I have:
"Copyright law may not be on the Wilsons' side as the song is licensed for public performance under a blanket fee paid by the venue to ASCAP, the firm that collects royalties on behalf of composers and copyright owners."
How can we be sure the GOP Convention is a public performance? To me, the convention seems more like a private convention that was publicized to the public. After all, weren't people, such as delegates invited to the event? Not just anyone could show up off the street, right?

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by Drew001

..
If you don't understand what the word "broadcast" means, then I have to conclude that you are dense...

Frankly, when the only thing you have contributed to this thread is "lol. Truly dense" I really don't expect much of an education from you, but...here goes.
My understanding of the word "broadcast" when used as a verb is: "to transmit (programs) from a radio or television station."

If you have a better definition: please provide it.

[dd74]

Originally Posted by fintstone

1. Heart did not write the song
2. AFAIK, political parties do not broadcast conventions...perhap you should be suing CNN or MSNBC

1. Heart did write the song. That's verified elsewhere in this thread.
2. The convention had reporters from various networks present, and those networks did broadcast from the convention, but no network exclusively "broadcasts" the convention. That was the GOP's job.

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by dd74

Here's the problem I have:
"Copyright law may not be on the Wilsons' side as the song is licensed for public performance under a blanket fee paid by the venue to ASCAP, the firm that collects royalties on behalf of composers and copyright owners."
How can we be sure the GOP Convention is a public performance? To me, the convention seems more like a private convention that was publicized to the public. After all, weren't people, such as delegates invited to the event? Not just anyone could show up off the street, right?

If a law was broken, don't you think the Wilsons, who apparently do not support the GOP, would have sued?

Your point is moot. If it were a private performance, the GOP would not have to have paid at all...any more than you would have to pay to play records at your private party.

[dd74]

Originally Posted by fintstone

If a law was broken, don't you think the Wilsons, who apparently do not support the GOP, would have sued?

Your point is moot. If it were a private performance, the GOP would not have to have paid at all...any more than you would have to pay to play records at your private party.

That's exactly where you're wrong. A private party in someone's basement is much less likely to be broadcast to 80 million viewers as is an event such as the GOP Convention.

A private party and the GOP Convention don't really compare. One reason is the video cameras.

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by dd74

1. Heart did write the song. That's verified elsewhere in this thread.
2. The convention had reporters from various networks present, and those networks did broadcast from the convention, but no network exclusively "broadcasts" the convention. That was the GOP's job.

My bad...I meant the Wilsons did not write it...they were co-authors with two other band members...who were "thrilled the song was used."

The GOP does not have the means to broadcast anything. The networks broadcast it.

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by dd74

That's exactly where you're wrong. A private party in someone's basement is much less likely to be broadcast to 80 million viewers as is an event such as the GOP Convention.

A private party and the GOP Convention don't really compare. One reason is the video cameras.

You were making the case it was a private function, not me. You cannot have it both ways.

[dd74]

Originally Posted by fintstone

My bad...I meant the Wilsons did not write it...they were co-authors with two other band members...who were "thrilled the song was used."

The band wrote the song as "Heart" for "Heart."

Originally Posted by fintstone

The GOP does not have the means to broadcast anything. The networks broadcast it.

Wanna bet on that? Who supplied the event and sent out PR that the event would be broadcast? The GOP.

[dd74]

Originally Posted by fintstone

You were making the case it was a private function, not me. You cannot have it both ways.

Yes, a private event that was broadcast for its own purposes.

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by dd74

The band wrote the song as "Heart" for "Heart." ...

So is there some sort of nuance there? Do they have to vote...or do the Wilsons get to speak for the entire band because they have the same opinion as you? LOL.