Too good to be true?

[Milu]

Too good to be true? I think so.

www.ceic-ltd.com

The cars offered look too cheap and low milage.

[Seahawk]

I did a quick scan on the 2004 Passat TDI wagon from the website.

$4k EURO = $5.7k USD.

Auto Trader had them listed at $12k +/-.

I'll take five, please

[M.D. Holloway]

They pop up everywhere...

[svandamme]

it's UK based
yet the cars are left hand drive, and they list prices in Euro's, not Pounds
the discriptions are littered with german words
the contact email adresses go to another domain that has no business trace to it (live.com, representative.com)
and the prices are stupid low


they also describe themself as a car listing website, not a car dealer
use really effed up sentences, like "Which is why we provide a 24-hour contact email that you can ring to get help."
or
"We are only too happy to offer expert advice and make recommendations on any hardware." (are they car salesmen or computer sellers?)

a car lot picture that looks about as photoshopped as can be


and doesn't really look like England either...



common, a 6 year old BMW 530 D, with 130000 km... for 3 grand euro's, that's less then the price an accident write off goes for to a parts dismantler...

2 year old Opel Zafira, with 28 000 km, that car ain't broken in yet, many options, 3.8 grand??
that car should fetch at least 15 grand euro's

you take 5 Seahawk, go ahead, but don't send em a dime, COD only is the way to go

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by svandamme

you take 5 Seahawk, go ahead, but don't send em a dime, COD only is the way to go

I should have used green ink!

And the home page pic of the, "dealership" looks photowalmarted

[svandamme]

for ****'s and giggles, i'll see about ordering that 530D
looks like a nice car for rally'ing

i'll post my dealings with these muppets

date 17/9/2008 9:02 PM
to ceic-limited@live.com
"Hi,

is that BMW 530 D still available?
do you also arrange export and delivery to Belgium?
what cost?
how fast?


looks like a seriously nice car from the pics

eagerly awaiting your reply

with utmost regards,
Steven"

[dafischer]

Here's the network message I received when clicking on the above link here at work:

Access Denied (content_filter_denied)


Your request was denied because of its content categorization: "Phishing"


For assistance, contact your network support team.

FWIW, I'd be careful in perusing their website.

[svandamme]

no worries,
the website is listed for phishing on the basis it has nothing real about it
it's all as fake as can be, i doubt even the address listed for the domain registration...

just browsing it won't clean out yer bankaccount, besides, i do that well enough on my own, they won't find much if they try

the real danger is to those who think they are real, and end up sending money advances for a car they think they are buying...

i'll just string em along a bit, should be quite easy
let's see how they respond to the special requests i have in mind

[tcar]

Originally Posted by svandamme

a car lot picture that looks about as photoshopped as can be


and doesn't really look like England either...

Yes. Notice the "C.E.I.C.L." is NOT parallel to the top of the building... funny.

[svandamme]

LOL
they are fast

"Dear Customer,

We thank you for your enquiry .Yes we still have this car in our stock, it is registered in the Uk and has the steering wheel on the left side .
This is the final price and you will not pay for anything extra .The price includes VAT.We will handle the shipping procedures, or if you like you can also come at our location to pick up the car.In order to complete the transaction with us, please e-mail us the car that you have interest in, your full name, address, phone number and fax number so that we can complete the contract and also e-mail us your confirmation that you agree with our company policy and we will provide you afterwards with the sales contract, bill of sale and with the purchase order for the car requested .
You will have 2 options regarding the method of doing this deal:you can chose to complete the deposit of 50 % of the car's price, and come and collect the car yourself, or or we will take care of the delivery at the assigned address .
We will ship your car using the services of our partner ,Class Express Ltd .You will also receive a tracking number before you make this payment of 50 % ,tracking number which you will be able to check on the shipping company's website : www.class-express.co.uk.tt
You will need first to book a certain car and pay upfront a safey deposit of 50% of the car's price, so that we may be sure that you are a reliable buyer and so that we can keep this car booked for you.
We are sure that you understand our policy .
We hope that our enquiry has been of service to you !

Faithfully Yours,
Your C.E.I.C.L. Team , "


and very keen to remind me of the 50% deposit
mind you, free shipping to Belgium !!!

time for some special requests

"Great !!

So you mean the price includes shipping to Belgium? all in?
2800 Euro's for the car, shipping, and VAT included??

How fast would it be delivered after i decide to buy it?
The reason is , we need it quite urgently, to get it race prepared for this years Paris-Dakar
need to gut it, install a roll cage, put a monster truck chassis and tires under it and also swap the engine with a V-8 top fuel crate engine i bought on ebay, it should put out around 2500 horse power...

it's all very last minute, but my fluffer mechanic from Sweden took out the original car we had in mind, and crashed it against a tree...shocking !

all the best,
Steven "


note how i got the price wrong, it's listed at 3 grand, knocked off a 200 euro's... hell, worth a try !!

[svandamme]

they are getting tricky now


"Dear Customer ,

Thank you for your quick e-mail .The price of the car is 3000 EUR ,including VAT and also the shipping fees.Usually our cars are being shipped in 12-14 days ,but if you want it really quick ,then we can ship it in just 3-4 days,but you must pay a tax of 400 EUR for the shipping .
We understand your reason for buying and we wish you good luck in the Paris-Dakar.
If you like ,we can start this deal imediatelly .All that we need from you is your full name ,your address and your scaned ID.As soon as we receive this information from you we will imediatelly start all the arrangements ,which will take one day.
We will be waiting for your quickest e-mail !
Thank you for your time !

Faithfully Yours,
Your C.E.I.C.L. Team ,"



scanned ID? but off course :





along with the adres of the local cops

"Hi,

this is fast service ! really not used to it, most companies claim to be serious
but when it comes to it, they take ages to respond. This is really nice.


i attached my scanned ID

My adress is

Rijselsestraat 133
8900 Ieper (ypres)

How do you normally arrange these things? i understand you want 50% in advance, but what guarantees do i have for delivery?
wouldn't it be easier if i can ask a friend in the UK, to come check the car, see if things are ok, and then have him pay you the amount in cash??

regards,
Steven"

so gave him a german fake ID
the police office adres
and a suggestion he might see cash money

maybe london police will be happy to send some unmarked car over to seal the deal so to speak... i know i guy who's fiance's brother is a copper...

[cstreit]

Here is a map of his place. Seems to run the business out of his house I guess. The "dealership" must be elsewhere, haha

[Paul_Heery]

we wish you good luck in the Paris-Dakar

That's funny. But, they are actually reading your emails.

[svandamme]

off course they are, but they don't really get the finesse in em
top fuel crate engine, putting out 2500 horses
and a monster truck chassis
for Dakar
on a 520 D .. anybody who knows anything about cars can see right away that it's bogus



they think they are stringing me along, when i'm doing it to them
the minster of information ausweis might kill it though

but if they are really into greed, then the idea of a live person bringing cash money should get their attention ....
they probably think, no sweat, base ball bat, and a good sized knife will take care of things....

Chris, there's the other adress from the whoi's on their main page
hoe street.. it does exist, but i don't see a dealer ship there either ... probably a house number that doesn't exist in a street that does

[Dave L]

hmmm, I would suggest sending a check for $8000, then they could just give you the remaining $4000 along with the car. The extra $1000 would be "for their trouble" While you are corresponding with them please let them know that I am a Nigerian General and am also looking for a suitable paris/dakar monster truck conversion car.

[svandamme]

they went silent.
i think they have put 2 and 2 together, and figured they weren't getting 3 grand

i blame the good looks i have, and the awesome picture on my ID card..

[svandamme]

i spoke to soon, this guy is really up for it

"Dear Customer,

We have just finished doing the paperwork for this deal and the car is already loaded in a truck ready to be shipped at your address.We are sending you attached to this e-mail the Sales Contract,Bill of Sale and the Purchase Order .We are asking you to print this documents,sign by hand the Sales Contract and the Bill of sale,afterwards please scan the signed documents and send them back to us at this e-mail address for confirmation .The shipping company will also e-mail you very soon with the confirmation that the car is in their posession and they will also give you the tracking number of the shippment so that you can check it on their website : www.class-express.co.uk.tt ,at the section Track your package.You may start with the payment procedure of 1900 EUR as soon as you have signed and sent us these documents.You will do this payment of 1900 EUr via Western Union Money Transfer.We have given you the payment details on the Purchase Order document.
Here are the payment dtails once again :
Payment will be done via Western Union Money Transfer :
Name of Agent : JOHN KANE
Address :59 VICTORIA STREET
Zip Code : SW1H 0EE
City : LONDON
Country: UNITED KINGDOM
Transfer amount : 1500 EUR(50% of the car’s price) + 400 EUR(shipping tax) = 1900 EUR
We are asking you to proceed with this payment as soon as you have sent us the signed documents and please send us the scaned copy of the Western Union payment receipt .
The shipping of the car will start imediatelly after you have sent us the scaned copy of the Western Union payment receipt.
We thank you for your cooperation and we will be waiting for your e-mail as soon as posible so that we can inform the shipping company to initiate the shipping towards your location !

Faithfully Yours,
Your C.E.I.C.L. Team "


Attached were 4 jpg's, bill of sale, purchase order, sales contract 1, sales contract 2





i like how they have gone to great lengths to make up forms, stamps , and other crap to make it look "official"...

But no answer to the questions i asked, so i 'll repeat em and ask some more

"Hi Jim

who is this John Kane person? I'm confused now

You have not answered my questions regarding guarantees about my money
Nor did you answer me about having the car inspected by a friend in the UK, who would then pay the amount in cash .

This Western Union is not possible, there is no WU office anywhere near Ypres, if i am to wire money , please forward me your IBAN and BIC details, and i can wiretransfer through a real bank... it's faster, and best off all, it's free within the EU..

One more thing, please forward me the registration details on the car, the Chassis/VIN number, and engine type and serial, i need to verify things are clear for the title.


take care,
Steven"

[Paul_Heery]

You could always fill this out and send it to them.

[svandamme]

maybe later, wanna make em work for a living a bit more

[svandamme]

ok, time for an update

"Dear Customer ,

Thank you for your e-mail.John Kane is one of our agents that will take care of money that you will send .If you feel unsecure making the payment via Western Union then there is no problem,here is our bank account :
Bank's name : Barclays bank
Bank's address : 59 Grove Street Wilmslow Cheshire SK9 1ER
Sort code : 20-53-77
Account Number : 80043xxx
International Account Number ( IBAN ) : GB03 BARC xxxx xxxx xxxx 40
Branch Indentifier Code ( SwiftBIC ) : BARCGB22

Unfortunatelly your friend can not come at our location, because as we have told you ,the car is in the shipping company's custody ready to be shipped at your location as soon as you confirm this payment of 1900 EUR.
Regading the Chassis/VIN number ,we will be sending you this information tomorrow ,because we must first talk with the shipping company tomorrow and ask them to send us the VIN ,because the car is in their posession so they are having this information.
Thank you for your time !

Faithfully Yours,
Your C.E.I.C.L. Team ,"


Yeah right, off course nobody can come to their friggin location,
cause they aven't got one!


"> Why did you give the car over to the shipping company if i had not yet
> signed any documents or even agreed to buy it?
> I don't buy cars without having a chance to get all my questions
> answered, or at least inspect the vehicle...
> How do i know you even have a car to sell? Do make sure to have your
> partners get a digital camera when they check the VIN, and put a news
> paper in the picture with the date..."



"Dear Customer ,

We have gone with the car at the shipping company yesterday in order that we can speed up things ,because you have asked us to do this deal quick ,because you need the car as soon as posible.You will find attached to this e-mail the car's documents.We have just talked to the shipping company and they have told us they will send you today the tracking number along with the legal document(Commitment Form) that we have signed with them regarding the shipping of the car towards your location .
Thank you for your time !




Faithfully Yours,
Your C.E.I.C.L. Team ,
"


You have to give em props for their ability to stick to the story
nice scan of some kind of paper related to that car
probably stole it from the car when they nicked the radio and airbags



"never mind,
you have not answered me what guarantees i have about sending my money
i can send money, and then wait for a delivery that will never happen

your website, your shipping company, it's all a big fake...
only a dimwit would think about buying a car like this "


Yet they persist, and up the scam

"from class-co@representative.com
Class-Express Company



Thank you for choosing our services..We are very pleased to inform you that we have in our custody the BMW 530D that you want to buy from the seller named C.E.I.C.L Uk Dealer.

We have attached to this e-mail the Commitment Form that our company has signed with your seller,C.E.I.C.L. Uk Dealer ,regarding the shipping of the car .





Tracking number of your transaction :

1V4542HJKFB

You can check this tracking number on our website,

www.class-express.co.uk.tt

at the section Track your package .



Package Detail



The package contains a "BMW 530D" with all the documents, keys and accessories".



Note: The package has been verified by Class-Express Co. Team .






If you have further questions regarding this deal,then please feel free to e-mail us at the following e-mail address :

class-co@representative.com



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cute how none of their email adresses have anything to do with the company website domains...
this class express tracking, yesterday came up with errors, pointing to a hosting company... today it comes up with a tracking form
nice attempt to make it all look legit... not

lovely signatures btw...