Vick to plead guity to get out of prison

Buckterrier · 10-21-2008, 05:13 PM

Isn't America grand? This assh*le is going to plead guilty to state charges to lesson his time in federal prison. How the f#*k does that work?

What should happen is him going to a state prison after his federal sentence is up, geez

Rick Lee · Rick Lee's Garage

Do you have an article to post? I have no idea how that works, but I'd rather federal than VA state charges all day long. There is no parole in VA and plenty of state crimes are handed over to the feds for prosecution. They are hardcore in VA. I think in the fed. system you can get out after serving 80% of your sentence. In VA it's not a day less than 100% of the sentence.

Buckterrier · 10-21-2008, 06:00 PM

Apparently he will go to a halfway house in Virginia after his federal sentence is up, (early if he pleads guilty to state charges), instead of state prison. I'll look for an article.

Buckterrier · 10-21-2008, 06:13 PM

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-sports/20081021/FBN.Vick.Dogfighting/

azasadny · azasadny's Garage

He'll get out, write a book, appear on Oprah, meet Barack and be hailed as a hero.

Porsche-O-Phile · Porsche-O-Phile's Garage

How the hell does a sentence get changed after the gavel hits? Doesn't that run contrary to the entire notion of sentencing?

Macroni · Macroni's Garage

What was he sentenced for, Drug dealing or Murder?

onewhippedpuppy · 10-22-2008, 05:25 AM

I'll be curious to see if anyone is desperate enough to let him play football again. My bet is he ends up in Canada or Europe.

Porsche-O-Phile · Porsche-O-Phile's Garage

The Raiders or Cowboys will take him. They're the garbage dumpsters of the NFL with no shame or dignity.

Macroni · Macroni's Garage

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The Raiders or Cowboys will take him. They're the garbage dumpsters of the NFL with no shame or dignity.

Agreed; but they have QBs signed for the future.

Buckterrier · 10-22-2008, 08:18 AM

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He'll get out, write a book, appear on Oprah, meet Barack and be hailed as a hero.

That would be funnier as hell if it wasn't true.

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What was he sentenced for, Drug dealing or Murder?

What does it matter?

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The Raiders or Cowboys will take him. They're the garbage dumpsters of the NFL with no shame or dignity.

+1

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How the hell does a sentence get changed after the gavel hits? Doesn't that run contrary to the entire notion of sentencing?

Talk about working the system. If the state of Virginia has any scotum at all they will throw is ass in the hole. Let Opra do her interview from there.

Rick Lee · Rick Lee's Garage

Depends on whether VA deals with him now or after his fed. sentence is all done. Vick is still relatively fresh in people's minds. When he's done in the fed. pokey, people will have forgotten about him and his treatment by a VA judge and prosecutor will depend on the political situations of each at that time. It will also be interesting to see whether the U.S. Attorney's recommendations get honored or ignored. Plenty of times the feds don't even bother prosecuting someone when VA wants them, since VA is usually far harsher.

Remember when that nut Kasi shot all those folks in front of the CIA gate about 15 yrs. ago? The FBI kidnapped his a$s in Pakistan and brought him back to the U.S., handed him over to VA for prosecution because they knew he'd be executed a lot faster that way. I was at the courthouse picking up my CCW renewal the day he was sentenced to die and it was a zoo.

MRM · 10-22-2008, 08:39 AM

It's always nice to see people get outraged about something they misunderstand.

Vick is not getting out early because he pleads guilty to the state sentence. Under the terms of his federal sentence he would be eligible for a half way house in July of 2009. That's early release in the sense that he's getting time off for good behavior, but that's all part of the original sentence. The only impact the state sentence has on his federal time is that he does not qualify for any early release, half way house or good time under his federal sentence while he has state charges pending. So by pleading guilty to the state charge he's just making himself eligible for the actual sentence that was imposed on him in federal court.

The US Constitution has this funny thing about being punished twice for the same thing, so the rule is that if you get charged for multiple crimes out of the same set of operative fact, even if the crimes are slightly different and different jurisdictions charge you, you get credit for time served in the other jurisdiction when you get charged for the crime in the new jurisdiction. So to put him away for longer in VA, the state would have to sentence him to all of the time he already spend in federal prison, plus something more. It looks like the state sentencing guidelines don't call for more prison time to serve, but he will have additional prison time held over his head that will be imposed on him only if he violates probation, and he'll have longer to serve on probation than he already has to serve on federal probation.

In other words, the state penalty is slightly worse than what the feds are already doing to him, he's not getting any "benefit" by pleading guilty, other than qualifying for the terms of the sentence he received the first time around.

Buckterrier · 11-25-2008, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MRM

It's always nice to see people get outraged about something they misunderstand.

Vick is not getting out early because he pleads guilty to the state sentence. Under the terms of his federal sentence he would be eligible for a half way house in July of 2009. That's early release in the sense that he's getting time off for good behavior, but that's all part of the original sentence. The only impact the state sentence has on his federal time is that he does not qualify for any early release, half way house or good time under his federal sentence while he has state charges pending. So by pleading guilty to the state charge he's just making himself eligible for the actual sentence that was imposed on him in federal court.

The US Constitution has this funny thing about being punished twice for the same thing, so the rule is that if you get charged for multiple crimes out of the same set of operative fact, even if the crimes are slightly different and different jurisdictions charge you, you get credit for time served in the other jurisdiction when you get charged for the crime in the new jurisdiction. So to put him away for longer in VA, the state would have to sentence him to all of the time he already spend in federal prison, plus something more. It looks like the state sentencing guidelines don't call for more prison time to serve, but he will have additional prison time held over his head that will be imposed on him only if he violates probation, and he'll have longer to serve on probation than he already has to serve on federal probation.

In other words, the state penalty is slightly worse than what the feds are already doing to him, he's not getting any "benefit" by pleading guilty, other than qualifying for the terms of the sentence he received the first time around.

Thank you for helping me understand it all. I think I read where Virginia law could impose a stiffer sentence. Also a few posts stated it would be better for him to get the federal sentence vs. a state sentence from Virginia becasue they were though on this sort of thing. It doens't appear they are very tough at all. It still reeks of the punishment not matching the crime.

Don Plumley · Don Plumley's Garage

Regardless, this person makes me sick, what he chose to do with those poor animals makes me ill. There are some wonderful rehab/adoption stories at www.badrap.org, when I look at those wonderful dogs and think of what was done to them my eyes tear up and I have to go hug my pit mix.

Buckterrier · 11-25-2008, 01:35 PM

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Regardless, this person makes me sick, what he chose to do with those poor animals makes me ill. There are some wonderful rehab/adoption stories at www.badrap.org, when I look at those wonderful dogs and think of what was done to them my eyes tear up and I have to go hug my pit mix.

Some folks like to poke fun, even get down right rude to people like you & I. "They're just animals" But are we no less an animal if we don't show compassion towards our fellow beasts? Isn't it compassion, empathy, intelligence that separate us from those beasts? Would you trust your daughter with anyone that could do such a thing?