For the tool junkies

[ruf-porsche]

Originally Posted by 911pcars

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Nice over-the-shoulder toss, btw.

Sherwood

Hey I posted this first on the "My Wife brought a Shamwow" thread.

[m21sniper]

WTF is with the stupid microphone? I'd like to put that guy in the slap chop...

[Tim Hancock]

Originally Posted by TimT

You think Delta and Dewalt don't have any pending lawsuits?? Make like an ostrich and stick your head in the sand....

Ok lets put your wife and kids back in this car without airbags... Yea lets have your wife do all her daily stuff , transporting the kids etc in a Pinto

I like ABS and airbags.... they may protect me from a ludites like you...:P

Guess what, if you care for your you wife and kids for more than a nanosecond, and don't wear your seat belt... you are an idiot!

Some people think multiple lawsuits against manufacturers are good thing.... I see them as a hindrance to innovation. If you don't think companies have to compromise their products to try avoid lawsuits brought on by stupid people, then it is you who has your head in the sand.


Think of the children! Ah... yes that is always a good one.

My family only drives foreign cars.... no Pinto for them. I am fine with my daughter's driving their non airbag/non ABS/non traction control/RWD cars as I taught them how to drive in the snow before they even got their drivers licenses. After 3-4 years of driving neither has managed to @ss end anyone or put either of their cars in a ditch. Neither has ever had a traffic ticket either.

PS, you can stick your Ludite comment up your arse.

[911pcars]

Ruf states:
"Hey I posted this first on the "My Wife brought a Shamwow" thread."

Yes, and I thank you for bringing late night TV ads to daylight.

Sherwood

[Schumi]

Did Vince just say "You're going to love my nuts" ?

That's gold.

[VaSteve]

Originally Posted by RWebb

Here's the bottom line -- does anybody seriously want sawstop to NOT make this thing b/c it might increase the exposure of other companies to lawsuits?

Tim Hancock apparently.

Originally Posted by Tim Hancock

Some people think multiple lawsuits against manufacturers are good thing.... I see them as a hindrance to innovation. If you don't think companies have to compromise their products to try avoid lawsuits brought on by stupid people, then it is you who has your head in the sand.

Isn't this thing an innovation? Why are you such a hater?

[slodave]

I talked with my dad about this thread at lunch today. He informed me that he was able to send his Forrest II slim kerf back and for $8.- on top of the normal sharpening fee, was able to save the blade.

So it looks like you save a finger, can reuse the blade and are only out $75.- (current price) for the cartridge.

[911pcars]

Originally Posted by VaSteve

Tim Hancock apparently.


Isn't this thing an innovation? Why are you such a hater?

in early industrial photos, I remember not seeing guards or safety devices in many pieces of rotating equipment (bench grinders, table saws, etc.). Anybody remember seeing early lumber mills, textile, foundries, metal stamping factories, Remember seeing kids 12-13 years old working at the looms with open belt drives? Scary.

We could regress I guess.

Sherwood

[TimT]

I think people usually purchase just one table saw in a lifetime...

I have two, one down here on lawn guyland, and the other at my place in Vermont...used to be a pia to drag that thing up every time I needed to do some carpentry at the place.. so I bought a saw to leave in Vermont

Some people think multiple lawsuits against manufacturers are good thing....

I hardly think multiple lawsuits are a "good" thing. I can't fathom how anyone could be against a nice safety innovation.. Since I have all the table saws I'll ever need. I wont be buying one of these. But I applaud the company for innovation.....

This isn't a mandated safety device.. Perhaps it will spur the other saw makers to innovate their own unique brakes and safety systems...

I know we all leave those anti-kick back devices etc in place

[ruf-porsche]

Originally Posted by 911pcars

in early industrial photos, I remember not seeing guards or safety devices in many pieces of rotating equipment (bench grinders, table saws, etc.). Anybody remember seeing early lumber mills, textile, foundries, metal stamping factories, Remember seeing kids 12-13 years old working at the looms with open belt drives? Scary.

We could regress I guess.

Sherwood

There's Hell to pay if an OSHA inspector find those conditions.

[Tim Hancock]

Originally Posted by VaSteve

Isn't this thing an innovation? Why are you such a hater?

What can I say? I guess I am a bit old school and have seen too many things I enjoy deemed unsafe by society. While I wear my seat belts and wear a helmet when riding a motorcycle, I detest the fact that govt can make laws requiring me to do so. Don't even get me started on kids learning to ride a bike wearing full body armor, or some states requiring a gun permit to buy a d@mn BB gun.

The uber safety thing just rubs me the wrong way... always has, always will.

[TimT]

There's Hell to pay if an OSHA inspector find those conditions.

I have worked in the construction industry for 30 years in and around NYC, with a bit of a tour in the mid-east for a few years..

I have never ever seen or heard of an OSHA inspector visiting a job site....

Unfortunately, last year we had a fatality on the job I am CI on.... A painter fell from 100 feet from a scaffolding to his death...

Not a peep from OSHA... and the death was reported in print media NT Times, Post, Daily News etc...

[TimT]

Lawn Darts LOL

[slodave]

A story that was relayed to me today.

High school wood shop, the teacher petitioned the school to buy SawStop table saws. School said no, didn't want to justify the costs. A year later, a student cut off a finger. School had to deal with a nasty lawsuit. True story, just the short version. The fact that the school was aware of the saws, but did not buy them, put them in a tight spot.

[look 171]

Originally Posted by ruf-porsche

People are stupid that is why cars are equipped with ABS, Traction Control, SRS and crumple zone.

People aren't stupid. Accidents happen.

[look 171]

Originally Posted by Tim Hancock

How about hacksaws and kitchen knives?..... one can never be too careful.

Hey man, don't knock it. Its a great safety device. You don't have to use it or buy it. Use your cast iron pre war table saw with poor dust collection. Is alright with us but don't knock technology. When its mandatory then you can take it off yours. I run good old Powermatic 66 saws from the 70s and the 80s. In the shop. We also have a German sliding table saw and one of those really old 50s Oliver 14" saw that's build like a tank (It sits in the corner now) and a great saw. I tell you what, that German, Altendof, is so superior in every which way that you wonder why did anyone made one like this before. Dust collection that works. I mwan really works. The European dust collection standard is much higher then ours (at the time). If it wasn't fot that, I don't anyone would have made the saw dust collection better and would have left it alone for decades like it was in the 30-70s.

Becareful with the blade.

[look 171]

Originally Posted by slodave

A story that was relayed to me today.

High school wood shop, the teacher petitioned the school to buy SawStop table saws. School said no, didn't want to justify the costs. A year later, a student cut off a finger. School had to deal with a nasty lawsuit. True story, just the short version. The fact that the school was aware of the saws, but did not buy them, put them in a tight spot.

what school was that? I teach wood shop part time, 3 hours. The rest of the time is P car time or run my construction co.

[slodave]

Originally Posted by look 171

what school was that? I teach wood shop part time, 3 hours. The rest of the time is P car time or run my construction co.

I will have to get back to you. We didn't get into the details.

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by Tim Hancock

It is a slippery slope..... I design automated machines for a living. The cost of the ever increasing demands for safety coupled with lawsuits against the manufacturers of machinery is getting out of hand. I assure you I am not ignorant about machinery and tools. I just happen to think that individuals need to take responsibility for safe operation of machines, cars, airplanes, tools, motorcycles, knives, guns etc.

Sometimes they malfunction bro. This saw stop gadget would save your hand in that case.

I'm all for it. To me it's as much a no brainer as a safety on a firearm.

PS: You tube took the original video down.

Originally Posted by Tim Hancock

How about hacksaws and kitchen knives?..... one can never be too careful.

If they could design a kitchen knife that wouldnt accidentally cut flesh, but cut meat and veggies, i'd definitely buy them if the price wasn't that much higher.

[Tim Hancock]

Originally Posted by slodave

A story that was relayed to me today.

High school wood shop, the teacher petitioned the school to buy SawStop table saws. School said no, didn't want to justify the costs. A year later, a student cut off a finger. School had to deal with a nasty lawsuit. True story, just the short version. The fact that the school was aware of the saws, but did not buy them, put them in a tight spot.

There you have it.... Eventually shop classes will be a thing of the past due to lawsuits over ever increasing safety concerns.