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| Registered Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Houston TX 
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 The thing must have especially nice cupholders and a good Ipod hookup. 
				__________________ Mike Bradshaw 1980 911SC sunroof coupe, silver/black Putting the sick back into sycophant! | ||
|  03-18-2009, 05:56 AM | 
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It's getting bad man.  All of these new cars have huge side metal, tiny windows, high waistlines (how can some people even see out of them??), cavernous interiors... Look at a Sky/Solstice. There's about 4 square inches of glass, TOTAL on that thing. It's all blindspots and blocked views. The Challenger requires the total steel output of some small countries just to make it's outer skin. Stand too close to one, and it blocks the sun...bats actually come out of roost when it drives by it leaves such a big shadow. 
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| Double Trouble Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: North of Pittsburgh 
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|  03-18-2009, 07:20 AM | 
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			All that metal makes for stiffer chassis and better crash protection. Which is needed- because with those huge blind spots there's going to be a lot of idiots cutting people off in them..
		 
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|  03-18-2009, 07:30 AM | 
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| Did you get the memo? Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Wichita, KS 
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 BUT, this new Camaro might change all that. It has flashy styling, GM has improved their build quality (at least to Ford levels), and has pretty impressive performance. Last time I checked, 300 HP, RWD, high 20s MPG, and IRS aren't a bad combination, and that's the V6 base model. Compared to the V6 Mustang it's vastly superior. If they tune the chassis well, it should have better ride and handling than the Mustang, thanks to IRS vs a solid rear axle. Personally I think the Mustang and Camaro are better than the Challenger, that car is an absolute pig. I just can't get over how freakin' big it is. 
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| Slackerous Maximus Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Columbus, OH 
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I'm high on life man.
		 
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 2. Dopes? Sure GM is full of them, not news. 3. Clueless? No, just short sighted, and slaves to quarterly projections which leaves little imagination for the quantum changes they have to make due to China's thirst for oil, religious wars, politics, regulation and total collapse of the world economy. 
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|  03-18-2009, 08:01 AM | 
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| Back in the saddle again Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Central TX west of Houston 
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 I road in a Mustang once. I wasn't impressed by the interior, ergonomics, seating etc.... The only notable thing about the interior was the retro dash. 
				__________________ Steve '08 Boxster RS60 Spyder #0099/1960 - never named a car before, but this is Charlotte. '88 targa  SOLD 2004 - gone but not forgotten | ||
|  03-18-2009, 08:10 AM | 
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| Back in the saddle again Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Central TX west of Houston 
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 Funny, I like the low waistline cars and having good outward visibility. I don't like the newer high waisted cars. I actually think that it would be interesting to have a Lotus/Caterham 7 which puts the car waistline at your waistline. 
				__________________ Steve '08 Boxster RS60 Spyder #0099/1960 - never named a car before, but this is Charlotte. '88 targa  SOLD 2004 - gone but not forgotten | ||
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| Double Trouble Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: North of Pittsburgh 
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|  03-18-2009, 09:09 AM | 
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| drag racing the short bus Join Date: May 2002 Location: Location, Location... 
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			The GT Mustang is everywhere here. So is the V6, and so are the Shelby variants. V8 Mustangs, particularly with stick shifts, are back ordered throughout many L.A. Ford dealerships. All that's on the lots are ugly colors, poorly appointed, foul graphics Mustangs.  Two new Challengers are in my neighborhood; and I'm certain people around here who are not anchored by a utilitarian four-door, will also consider the Camaro. If I were GM, I certainly wouldn't worry about the Camaro doing well in SoCal. In fact, I'll bet GM will sell a trove of the Camaros here - to all age groups. What oddly has not been selling all that well around here are $40-50K foreign cars like Mercedes and BMW, when driven well, an American car that cost half as much, i.e., the Pontiac G8, will handily do the job. 
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			I'd love a '67 Camaro SS, or any muscle from the late 60's 70's even in retro form. But my fav retro car of all has to be this wonder:  Worst POS ever made???   
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|  03-18-2009, 10:16 AM | 
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| Slackerous Maximus Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Columbus, OH 
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			For the love of god, could you warn people before you post photos like that?   
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|  03-18-2009, 10:24 AM | 
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| Registered Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Beach CA, the sewer by the sea. 
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			I saw a challenger in person the other day and though I don't care for it too much, it's not a bad car. I think with the Mustang and now the Challenger, the Camaro is too little too late.
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|  03-18-2009, 10:25 AM | 
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| Registered Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Tornado alley 
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|  03-18-2009, 10:26 AM | 
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| Registered Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Beach CA, the sewer by the sea. 
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 This is pretty typical of a club that showed up at a local car show:   There were worse, but thank God I can't find pics. | ||
|  03-18-2009, 10:31 AM | 
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| Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: South of Heaven 
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|  03-18-2009, 10:55 AM | 
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| Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: South of Heaven 
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 Had it been executed properly, they'd have sold extremely well. | ||
|  03-18-2009, 10:56 AM | 
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| Registered Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Beach CA, the sewer by the sea. 
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			Yeah the T-Bird was very cool. With Mustang power and RWD, that thing would have been a classic like the early ones.
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