CA want to save $$, get rid of public housing

[Hugh R]

From this LA Times article: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-southla-pueblos14-2009jul14,0,2422714.story

apartment. He leaned ever so gently against the door. "It's open," he said, and his breath quickened. He locked eyes with another officer who was standing across the stoop, gun held tight against his thigh. "I'm going in," Vargas said.

The gunshots had erupted in a courtyard at Pueblo del Rio, one of the oldest and largest public housing developments in Los Angeles, a place beset with crippling poverty and gang violence for much of its 67 years. It was late on a Friday, and it had been a quiet night. Now it looked as though someone had kicked over an anthill.


Looky-loos streamed in. So did police. There were obstacles everywhere: shell casings you weren't supposed to step on; old-timey wire clotheslines, neck-high, that you didn't want to run into. A police helicopter banked overhead; everyone winced at its burst of white light, then pushed on through the dark.

Witnesses shouted out stories that could not all be true. The shooter had fled east, toward the old flour mill. No, west, toward the tracks. It was a handgun. No, a rifle. They agreed on one thing: The victim had been shot in the back and stumbled into one of these apartments. Vargas, a 16-year LAPD veteran, had found the right place. He had no idea what he'd find on the other side of the door.

Gang violence has fallen in this corner of South L.A., and civic leaders are laboring to secure some semblance of lasting peace and community -- through new police tactics and city-funded gang-prevention, job-training and other programs.


Defusing Pueblo del Rio is a less daunting proposition than it would have been in years past. But it still comes with complexities: the three gangs that call "the Pueblos" home, the insular families who've been here from the start. The community reflects what lies ahead for South L.A.: an unlikely sense of quiet and optimism most days, tempered by startling episodes that threaten to plunge the neighborhood back into the more familiar narrative of violence.

A third slammed into Nicole Horne's shoulder.

Horne, 25, was born and raised here -- the third generation of her family to live in this apartment. She'd been in the courtyard when a fight erupted; the bullets were not meant for her. She'd stumbled inside, then collapsed onto the bare tile floor of the living room.

"It burns!" she screamed. "Where is the ambulance?"

Horne's wounds were not fatal. Vargas helped soothe her until paramedics arrived. He needed to get back to the streets, and there was nothing more he could do here anyway. But as he steered his cruiser away, he suspected this wasn't the last he'd hear of this. The area where Horne had been shot was controlled by the Pueblo Bishops, the community's dominant gang.

"They'll kill each other for this," Vargas said.


So what "good" does these 2 and 3 generation families living on the "dole" actually provide Los Angeles? Taxes revenues, any contribution to society? I say cut off public housing subsidies entirely. LA is an expensive place to live. If you don't have the IQ, education, skill set to make a living here without a government handout, you should move somewhere else.

[widebody911]

So what "good" does these 2 and 3 generation families living on the "dole" actually provide Los Angeles?

So the city of LA basically subsidizes the gangs?

[sammyg2]

Eventually they'll riot again and burn it all down.
Then we can spend millions rebuilding it, won't that be special?

These "people" should be glad I'm not in charge, if I were they'd all be deported or living on the streets.

[strupgolf]

Generation to generation, it never ends. The young ones see the old ones getting a free handout each month. They provide nothing to the good of LA.

[Porsche-O-Phile]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

Eventually they'll riot again and burn it all down.
Then we can spend millions rebuilding it, won't that be special?

These "people" should be glad I'm not in charge, if I were they'd all be deported or living on the streets.

We need this to happen periodically in order to provide work for all the illegal construction workers to do the rebuilding. Where's your sense of altruism man?!?!

[tabs]

If it burns it is not going to be rebuilt. There is no more money. LA will turn into a Detroit, which they call the Urban Prairie. This is what happens when there is white flight to the Burbs. No one with any money is left to rebuild. Back in the 90s when visiting Michigan I was told that there was a one year period where there wasn't a single new construction permit issued in the city of Detroit. Remeber the decay in the movie Bolade Runner well that is gong to bethe LA of the future

Detroit


1949


Today

[dd74]

I agree with Tabs on this: even if "they" want to rebuild, private enterprise will have to come in, of which there is very little who can afford to spend the money.

Besides which, who wants to spend money rebuilding infrastructure in a state that is so obviously anti-business?

Detroit is a stark reality as business takes up its marbles and leaves the game (the state) to go elsewhere.

[strupgolf]

LA could be just like Detroit soon. The money runs out, the people who want to rehab go elsewhere, and BOOM, you have people who dont have a clue where the next meal is coming from.

[Porsche-O-Phile]

Like I've said for months - in 20 years, most of southern CA (certainly L.A.) will be indistinguishable from Tijuana. Portions of it already qualify.

[Zeke]

Portions. What does the beach look like in TJ?

[jyl]

Could you guys whine a little louder already? Add some pissing and moaning while you're at it.

If you don't like it, leave. If you like it, stay. But enough with the negative whimpering.

[tabs]

JYL I packed my bags long ago ...I now live in a sun drenched paradise.

Tonight on CNBC 3000 people pack up and leave CA every week...to be replaced by those new immigrants from South of the border.

They also stated that 147K people pay 47% of the income taxes.

[mikester]

Well, the state just told LA County they were going to raid their coffers to cover the budget gap.

So, maybe there won't be any money for CalWorks and whatever other programs these people might be using...

I'm not advocated any position, I'm just wasting time since I'm not asleep.

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by jyl

Could you guys whine a little louder already? Add some pissing and moaning while you're at it.

If you don't like it, leave. If you like it, stay. But enough with the negative whimpering.

I was gonna say the same thing to you regarding this thread. You are the one complaining, if you don't like what you are reading you can always go to a different thread.

We have watched what was a very nice place to live go to heck in a handbasket at the hands of the bleeding hearts. We are discussing that, deal with it.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by mikester

Well, the state just told LA County they were going to raid their coffers to cover the budget gap.

So, maybe there won't be any money for CalWorks and whatever other programs these people might be using...

I'm not advocated any position, I'm just wasting time since I'm not asleep.

And I wonder what kind of system works like that. Talk about redistributing the wealth.

[Leland Pate]

...

...the tech bubble led to the sub-prime bubble...

...the subprime bubble led to the bailout bubble...

...the bailout bubble leads to a federal default bubble...

The default bubble leads to the... oh wait...

Ain't fiat money grand!

[dipso]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

We have watched what was a very nice place to live go to heck in a handbasket at the hands of the bleeding hearts.

Wasn't it Reagan who started this whole illegal immigrant, amnesty ball rolling.
Didn't they practically double under Bush?

[Tobra]

Hugh, you racist dillhole!

The SFPD feared to tread in the projects across the street from my podiatry school, pretty sure that was govt housing.

It was half demolished when the earth quake hit and it did not fall over. You could see squatters in it sometimes.