Camaro is King!!!

[NICKG]

Originally Posted by VINMAN

Alot of the guys on here including myself are "car guys". Gear heads. We like cars in general. Not everyone on here is a Euro-car snob. If it has wheels and an engine, i have an interest in it. From American muscle to euro cars, all the way up to big heavy duty trucks.
I just dont see the need for some guys to bash anyone who likes something other than a European built auto??

I agree, I LOVE the new breed of retro muscle. Especially the Challenger...If I could get a nice black 06 gto 6 speed, i would take that over the challenger, but I think they did a great job on the challenger. (and i am NOT a lover of chrysler products at all generally)

[speeder]

Originally Posted by MMARSH

What difference does it make, most of the people on this board wouldn't buy it regardless. The Z06 does everything better then a 996 or 997 and weights less and there are still people on this board that wouldn't be caught dead in one. because it's a Chevy. I guess I can kind of understand, I would never own a Hardly-Davidson.

I have plenty of respect for Z06s, (and new Corvettes in general). I don't put the new Camaro in any kind of same regard because of the 4k lbs. I mean, come on...that's like a lowered Lincoln Town Car or something.

I'm not crazy about the interiors in Corvettes for the last 30 years but the overall package of the Z06 cannot be denied. As for doing "everything better" than a 997, the equivilant model from Porsche is the GT3 and the Z06 definitely does not do everything better. You cannot compare Chevys and Porsches dollar for dollar, Chevy wins that one just like Timex beats Rolex. They both click off one minute every 60 seconds, it's how they do it.

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by layzee

From a Euro perspective these cars offer a lot of performance for a little money, but you can see where the cost savings have been made. The interiors of modern Chryslers are generally terrible, this Challenger looks like a parts-bin special too.

What I can't really grasp is - who are the people who will buy these cars? I mean the first gen muscle cars were working-class heros. What sort of working class guy is going to buy a new Camaro? I'm guessing a lot of the potential buyers of these cars are now staring unemployment in the face.

The new camaro V6 has 300 hp and costs $22k.

You really need to ask who will buy those???

I think a lot of old 911 owners are just upset that a $22k 4000lb chevy V-6 will smoke their butt badly from a standing start.

[jyl]

I think the thing to do would be to buy a 928 and drop in the Camaro V8. Now that would be a car. :-)

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by jyl

I think the thing to do would be to buy a 928 and drop in the Camaro V8. Now that would be a car. :-)

Herr Kuhn who posts on this board makes a 600hp twin turbo kit for the 928 using the stock Porsche motor.

There is another poster here who makes a single turbo kit good for 400+hp, and several different 928 SC kit makers as well.

No Chevy motor required.

[speeder]

FWIW, I think that early Corvettes were works of art. I dream about owning a '65 Stingray w/ a 327/365hp f.i. as much as I dream about any Porsche. I also like '69 Camaros. A guy I knew had a '69 Z-28 clone w/ a 427 and "best of everything" that got pulled-over by cops on a constant basis, just so they could ask about the car. They'd pull up next to him and ask him what it did in the quarter, he'd say, "wanna race?"

[robert944]

I wouldn't mind driving this fully track ready car.

[m21sniper]

Yeah, that's a badass looking machine there.

Oh my.

[Pazuzu]

I'm waiting for the "Meagan Fox in the passenger seat" option. I saw it in a movie, it must be a factory option, right?

[911pcars]

"I wouldn't mind driving this fully track ready car."

What does the fully track ready car weigh?

I agree with Denis. The '69 Camaro/Z28 was the quintessential Camaro. My friend's autocross-winning '71 Camaro weighs in at around 3200. That's with '71 technology. Surely GM could have done better 38 years hence. Instead, they retro'd past to the 50's, weight-wise.

I think they missed the feeling with this new version.

As fine a GT as the 928 is/was, it could have been superb with a few hun less than 3600 lbs. and an engine that was more user-friendly - not made more friendly (maintenance-wise) by low production numbers.

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[speeder]

I sold 928s new at the dealership and drove them all brand new, including the manual trans 928 S4. (Pretty fast). They were great cars like most all Porsches but always had a very limited appeal. They were not pure sports cars, (99% were slush boxes in the U.S.), kind of a neither fish nor fowl situation. The heavy weight never bothered their target demographic, they were cruisers.

The new Camaro I don't see as some kind of refined GT car. It's more of a parts bin car, a styling exercise. Making a car go fast is the easiest thing on earth for a manufacturer, no one should ever be impressed by that. Hyundai could make an 800hp car if they wanted. It's all in the details and execution, the overall package.

[pwd72s]

Originally Posted by robert944

I wouldn't mind driving this fully track ready car.

Done in the same color and same numbers as a car Mark Donahue drove for Penske..

[speeder]

Looks cool. If it weighed ~3k lbs., I'd say "ya got something there."

[chapo]

I would too, to Porsche. What was the last Porsche model to weigh less than 3k???

[speeder]

My 996 is about 3050 w/ half tank of gas. I was thinking anywhere near 3k would be acceptable. 4k is a beached whale.

[gprsh924]

Originally Posted by chapo

I would too, to Porsche. What was the last Porsche model to weigh less than 3k???

Cayman

[chapo]

actually the 996 weighed in at 2920 lbs too.

[chapo]

living in So Cal you forget Porsches might be performance cars. Tiptronics, soccer moms, and cell phones are more common than any performance add ons

[pwd72s]

Originally Posted by chapo

living in So Cal you forget Porsches might be performance cars. Tiptronics, soccer moms, and cell phones are more common than any performance add ons

This the demographic they build 'em for these days...

[MMARSH]

Originally Posted by speeder

I sold 928s new at the dealership and drove them all brand new, including the manual trans 928 S4. (Pretty fast). They were great cars like most all Porsches but always had a very limited appeal. They were not pure sports cars, (99% were slush boxes in the U.S.), kind of a neither fish nor fowl situation. The heavy weight never bothered their target demographic, they were cruisers.

The new Camaro I don't see as some kind of refined GT car. It's more of a parts bin car, a styling exercise. Making a car go fast is the easiest thing on earth for a manufacturer, no one should ever be impressed by that. Hyundai could make an 800hp car if they wanted. It's all in the details and execution, the overall package.

The Camaro is a Camaro, It's built for a certain price point. 928s were the more refined GT car in the day and they were more expensive then the 911. Personally I'd like to see Porsche build a car at the same price point of the Chevy and see what they can come up with. I have a feeling it would be a parts bin car, with parts shared with VW or audi. 914 or 924 ring a bell. Those were some great cars.

You compare a Z06 to a GT3, its equivilant only in performance, but come on dude, the base price of a GT3 is $112,000, the base price of a Z06 is $72,935. That is a huge difference in price. 72K is 997 money so that is the comparison that I make. Again, what could Porsche build for 40K. I could buy a GXP(performs as good or better then more expensive BMW) and have a Z06 for the weekends for the price of a GT3.

Just checked. 72K is actually just a tad short of 997 money, they start at 76K.