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WTF? I'm sorry, but I gotta call BS. I think some of you guys are talking trash about private schools based on your own impressions from your school years. Unless you are a parent who has really explored the schools and seen the results, I don't see how you can have a good picture of what is out there. Moreover, schools are like real estate. Its all local.
How can you lump my kids school in with the Montesorri school down the road? They are utterly different. There are certainly rich kids who skate through the private schools without learning a thing about the outside world or how to navigate in life. But that is a function of their parents, not nessecarily their school. Just because Ivy league kids don't know how to fix a carburator does not make them morons.
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My son is 25 and he says to me, "one things for sure, when I get married and have kids, they're going to private school"
Why? Not because he did. Because he now interacts with kids (ha, 25yo's) that didn't and he sees the quality differences! It's not the education; it's something FAR GREATER than that! It's the respect they learn; something WE were taught in school and something that has been sadly stripped away from the public school babysitters. Respect for self. Respect for others. Respect. Some of my friends have taken their kids out of the private school system and put them back into the public system; they say its because of some academic choices the high schools offer and not the money (?), but my opinion is I'd rather have my kids learn the REAL lessons of life than some stupid academic subject they're gonna forget anyway. I want my kids to learn how to be a good person, how to respect themselves and others, about values and ethics, morals and standards. The foundation of success in life is how you look at things, how you react to things, how you deal with challenges (everyday), NOT some academic brain trust? Success = Living your life happily and joyfully ![]() |
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My prep school cost about the same as or a little more than my college did and it was worth far more. I use skills every day I learned in prep school. College, while a lot of fun and somewhat productive, I probably could have done without. I've never once been asked by a prospective employer about my college experience. But I have been asked plenty about my prep school and I landed my first job out of college because of it. I was also able to place out of all the required college freshman bs courses, which allowed me to spend a year abroad and still graduate in four years, going just part time my senior year.
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High School, college, Univ; all a waste of time imo.
But it opens your mind and opens zee doors...... necessary means to an end. |
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so at age 13, my mum had trouble keeping my managed...
So my rich aunt had told her, that when her kid was difficult, she sent him to this high end catholic boarding school.. same place where one of our royal family had sent his kids to. My mum thinks.. why not... and tells me a story of a very nice school, where you can get all sorts of fun activities. like ride horses , play tennis, and what not... (i was very much into horse riding at the time)... I'm like. awesome.. sign me up!!.. Unfortunately, the whole thing depended on acceptance by the school... Mum drives over there... nice place.. go meet the abbot.. Dude asks me... "so what do you think is most appealing about our school?"' to which i respond.. " that you can ride horses, tennis and other stuff". Abbot goes.. : well, we do do a lot of sports here... volleyball, and soccer, things like that, but no horses though... me : well sod it then, i can do those sports that where i am now... hell, any school has the soccer and volleyball.. there's really no point to it then , now is it??
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The below is not true for the private schools my kids have attended.
We're in French immersion school, which may or may not be representative of the typical private school. Well, I don't know about the pay part. The average salary of all our school's employees is $45K (teachers and administration), I don't know what public K-8 pays in PDX. Quote:
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My oldest kids are 18 and 16. I get comments all the time about how respectful and polite they are. We have never has to deal with drug or alcohol problems. My kids have a combined 3 years driving with no accidents or tickets. They have always been in public schools, as I was. My kids attend high school in the same community that I did. My public school education has never been a barrier to achievement in any way. There are good public schools and bad ones. My kids go to a great one. The suggestion that somehow kids will grow up to be less respectful if they attend public school is absurd. Well... maybe in Canada... Again, it's all about parenting. If you delegate the teaching of respect, ethics or morals to any school, you're asking for trouble.
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Surround your kid with other good kids, and he has a better chance. Surround him with bad influences, kids with no manners or bad upbringing, kids who are trouble-makers, and your kid will be adversely affected. Then there's the quality of education. My kids learn more at private school than they would at public school. According to the California public education system, 25% of all students in California are "English learners". That's a fancy way of saying anchor babies. You can't tell me that doesn't drag down the education of the rest of the students. Our tax dollars at work. |
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There are "private schools" and there are "academies". If I could afford the latter I would, the former (around here anyway) are pointless other than the religious stuff.
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I graduated from private school.
Not sure if that's a condemnation or an endorsement. |
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Back to the original topic: Spend extra thousands of bucks over a public school and your child can be visited by an 90's grunge band guitarist? Couldn't you just get some concert tickets next time they are in town?
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Maybe the strategy is to live in an area that has great public schools. The cost in real estate might be worth the extra $100K's instead of spending it on private school tuition. Look around. Not that hard to find. I think good public schools offer a better, well-rounded education with a broad cross-section of people than many (not all) homogeneous private label schools.
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Ring ring, ring ring.
Ring ring, ring ring. "Hello?" "Hi, this 1956. Just wanted to say thanks for remembering me." Both you and Rob are correct Mark, but the difference is in quantity of time spent in each environment. School: 6-7 hours per day, 5 days per week = continuous reinforcement in social situations where respect is taught, earned, given, traded with serious repercussions both from peers and authority figures. Parents: 3 hours per week in these same situations, maybe less. Private school is about opportunities. I went to both public school and Catholic school on and off earlier in grade school, but there was probably no greater difference between Hill Murray Catholic High School in MN (9th grade) and Victoria High in TX (10th grade) in terms of environment. One fostered excellence, the other was pretty much juvi. One was to send me to a sports medicine training camp the summer after freshman year to further my "career" as assistant trainer for the football team. The other, we were regularly regaled by stories of the night before by one girl who loved taking it up the a$$. One was filled with opportunities, and kids who wanted to take advantage of them. The other was filled with losers. Northampton High in MA (11th-12th) was very good, but only because you could take classes at Smith College. But it still lacked any kind of discipline and structure designed to make you successful in life.
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Yeah Shaun, I agree that both Moses and I are correct; in fact, we're all correct because we're all given the free choice.
I honestly and sincerely do not know another Dad that spends more time with their kids or wife than me? Not being brash or anything, but it's my personal definition of success, so I put the QT in. Why? 20 years ago a good buddy asked me what the most important thing in my life was. I answered him in a mili-second without a thought. Then he replied, "prove it, show me your calendar, because your calendar tells me where you spend your time AND where you spend your time defines your priorities in life." (or something like that, it was 20 years ago.) Life change for me......... I was a millionaire at the time, successful in my own world, working a very busy work schedule with very little time left over for my family (golfed 4 rounds/week though). A couple years later I had a very enlightening discussion with a man that I respected very, very much. It had to do with things about family and values. We discussed the private school topic and within that calendar year my kids were in private school. There's no doubt that many of the kids turn out fantastic from the public school system; no doubt. BUT the odds aren't as good. What do you think they are? 50%/50%? In Calgary where my kids were first raised the public school system was really taking a slide for the worse (imo); I worked building schools and was around the environment lots; many of the kids were being raised without parenting, period. We moved to Salmon Arm, BC and my youngest started grade 1 here and is in grade 10 now. The public school system here is much better, I'm around the kids lots through sports, school and socials and there's a very good chance, like about 95% that the kids are gonna turn out great from that system. BUT, once again, the number of kids that graduate from the public school system a virgin is very low. The number of kids that graduate virgins in my kids school is VERY high, almost 100%. Parent involvement is very high, also about 100%. Becoming a Dad changed my life, I'm proud to walk the talk and that means I've applied the things I know to my life at the very best of my abilities. This is my life choice and it comes from having priorities that I constantly focus on. Our world evolves and my opinions may be different if I had to make them today, but 20 years ago this is what my wife and I decided. We have no regrets, in fact, we're darn proud of our lifestyle choices and they bring us much, much joy today. FWIW, my wife has also been a stay at home mom all these years too. I've never sent her to work to pay for my camper, boat, car or toys. She's been right there at home, holding the unit together, enjoying her life. My wife is the biggest volunteer at the kids school; some of the staff thinks she's on the payroll she's there so often. Parenting YES, but it doesn't stop there. I could give a lifes lesson on these values, but the fact is that most people don't really give a rip; meandering through life like a creek on a hillside, following the path of least resistance. |
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Mine easily put in as much time per day as the School did, not to mention the weekends...and the summers. I suppose if i keep reading your posts eventually i'll see one that i don't think is retarded, but not so far. I honestly don't think a private school makes all that much difference. A bad kid is going to get into trouble regardless of the venue, and a good kid is going to excel, again, regardless of venue. There are plenty of honors students in public school, and plenty of drug using little douches in private schools. Last edited by m21sniper; 05-10-2009 at 12:21 PM.. |
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YOU get it, 90% of the other "successful professionals" out there? Total fail. Every time i hear some clown who works 50+ hours and spends his weekends on a golf course call himself a family man i crack up laughing. |
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It depends on the schools in your area. Something like 80% of the kids in my graduating class went to college. I went to a public high school. It didn't hold me back. Academic scholarship to a top 20 business school. YMMV
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