what i get for doing something nice
 

a little background.
we have 2 horses we keep on my neighbors property and she boards another for the girl down the street. shes friends with my daughter who is 13. her parents are hurting for money and a new tye would have to sell the horse. so last winter i bought $230 worth of hey for her horse because i wanted her to be able to keep her horse so she could ride with my daughter and their other friend. well, its been getting worse. they dont always provide feed so we end up using ours to feed their horse, which by the way, my daughter feeds theirs all the time anyway, even with their feed.

so, i had a great friday with my daughter. spent the day taking care of the horses then went for a ride with her, about a half hour too long, im still hurting. she comes to me and says they are out of feed...again. she tells me they ahve some at the house. so she calls and asks them to bring feed. no show. so we get in the truck and drive down there. well, here is where it hits the fan. while i was alone with her mother, the dad just went to jail, oh, i forgot to tell ya he is/was a hells angels member. anyway, i asked her mother, while the kids were nto around, if they could try to do better at keeping food for the horse because we have been feeding from our supply and we cant afford to do that anymore. well, she prceeded to tell me that they have never run out food down there becuase she always takes some down there. so even after her daughter said(very reluctantly) that she had run out food she still insisted that their horse always has food. this went on for a while then they said something about selling the horse. then i told her about the $230 for hay and that ronnie would talk to you about paying me back and that if they sold the horse she should pay me for the hay. she told me horses dont need hay and that was not her problem. then she proceeded to tell that her daugher would feed their horse in the morning and night and that my daughter did not have to take care of their horse any more. i told her again, that is not the problem, the only thing i ask is that you have feed for us to feed the horse and that i really did not want money because i wanted her daughter to be able to keep her horse. actually, it is much easier for us to feed all the horses at once, otherwise, we have to pull our 2 out and feed them seperately.
long story short...too late...i am now the bad guy.
gottat go.

Just curious since I don't own one, how much does the horse hay cost per horse, per month?

Damn. I feel for you, even though I don't know what the hell you just said.

I own and board horses...it depends on the horse and if there is pasture or not.

In the winter, with grain, we plan on 1/3 bale plus per day per horse, again, depending on size and if the horse is being worked.

The price of hay varies by region, type of hay and weather conditions.

I grew up around horses, both my sisters were A Pony Clubbers and my Mom was the El President of the SoCal Pony Club in the late '60's, early 70's. I was Mongo the Stable Boy.

I prayed my horse days were at an end when I left for college.

Enter stage left, horse crazy daughter.

One last thing, horse women, talent level and commitment aside, are to be avoided.

My hay barn, since tidied up...good thing we grow our own:cool:



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You need to say to her "Hay hay hay, this has gone far enough."

Holy crap, that's funny.

+ 1 !!

We had our own horse and used to board a few more. Sometimes the neighbors' (they were paint breeders and always had more horses than they had stalls), sometimes others'.

It took us a few years to learn this: you have to be stone-cold all business to board horses without having any issues. People who don't keep their horses on their own property simply aren't committed enough to put in the time/effort/money to take care of them. So you either end up feeding them, cleaning stalls for them, watering them, etc. etc. etc....and you never get paid enough for your trouble.

No more other people's horses on our land. Ever.

I feel for you--we've been there. BTW, I'd keep an eye on your daughter's friend when she's riding. If there was an accident I have no doubt her mother would be thinking about a way to extract some money from you.

What? It's simple. Let me explain.

He boards a horse at a neighbor's place. A friend of his daughter boards a horse there, also. He bought $230 worth of hay for his horse, even though horses don't need hay. Some guy went to jail. Some horse ate some hay that wasn't his/hers (I think). He doesn't want money, he just wants to... umm. Wait. It's easier to feed horses in a group than separately. Now he's the bad guy because.... Wait. Damn.

I think he typed that in one breath. He did something nice for the wife of a hells angel and now they are taking advantage of him. I bet he could make hay with the wife while her old man is in the slammer and feed it to the horse.

$170.00 per ton 2000 lbs

Lasts two months per horse, longer in the summer if free grazing.

you're an easy mark


don't expect strangers to bring the same level of humanity to the table as you do

You screwed up my keyboard. Now it is flooded with coffee from my nose.

T77911, I am sorry to hear about that.

That gentlemen is why I come here. At some point, hilarity shall ensue.

Back to the subject, it is akin to loaning to your kin. You have to just figure that dough is gone. Sounds to me like this woman has more to worry 'bout than a horse, with her old man in jail. Horses are expensive, but you knew that.

It is nice to have someone to ride with though...

"no good deed goes unpunished."

Wait, so you let your daughter run around with Hell's Angels?

Horse people are CRAZY and insane. They ALWAYS treat their horses better than anyone else could ever treat a horse. This type or that type of horse person is ALWAYS wrong and NEVER knows how to properly manage their animals. It is ALWAYS someone else's issue/problem when something goes wrong. When a horse gets sick/injured/dies it is NEVER the owners fault and they should NEVER pay anything. EVERYONE ELSE at the barn is an idiot. ALL the issues could be solved IF the horse person would be in charge of the barn. I ALLOW my horses to be at the barn, why should I pay YOU to keep them on YOUR property? MY beer/cig/drug/fun/dancing/bar money is important to me, YOU pay to take care of MY horse, oh, and YOU are doing it wrong!!!!

Did I miss something? Horse people are *(#@*()$&@(#$*()@#*$)(!@#*$)(. We have somewhere between three and five horses, I just don't know which are ours and which are my sister-in-laws. Oh, and a friend of ours has his horses on our farm... At least he is less retarded about the animals than we are...

I'm surrounded by horse people....we don't talk much. Nothing in common.

Why don't you just take over the horse and still let the daughter ride it?

Oh wait, you could be sued ... fick'n system ...

The mother doesn't want to cough up money and more than likely doesn't want to be turned in to the humane society for abusing the horse.

i paid $7 a bail delivered. i can only haul about 20 bails in my truck, plus the girl next door bought some. i think i bought 60 this last time, 20 bails per horse for about 3-4 months. so in the winter with feed, it costs about $100 per horse to feed. so about 5 bails per horse a month....cant remember. i just buy it when my daughter tells me we need.

it was one long breath. i am at work and had to go. i did not go back and read it, now i am afraid to.

readers digest version.

theywerenotkeepingtheirfeedbucketfulloffeed,sowewe rehavingtofeedtheirhorsefromoursupply.wheniaskedth emtokeepmorefeedtheir,iwastoldtheyhaveneverrunouto ffeedandthatiwasalier andtheyneveraskedmetofeedtheirhorse.


one more time


they were not keeping their feed bucket full of feed, so we were having to feed their horse from our supply. when i asked them to keep more feed their, i was told they have never run out of feed and that i was a lier and they never asked me to feed their horse.
i never asked for money, until she called me a lier, then i asked to be paid back if they sold the horse. all i asked was that they provide me with the food for their horse.
my daughter feeds the horse most of the time anyway. it is easier for one person to feed all 3.
even when we asked them to come down and feed, like when my daughter os gone, they do not always do it.

its not my property. i set it up so the lady that owns it could board a horse and make money. i i maintain it and do all the big work on our 2 properties. plus her daughter has a horse to ride.

right now i am trying to get her lawn sprinkler working. it has not worked in 7 years. i got lucky and found the supply line, it was broken and burued, her ex broke it when he, get this, he took the lawn pump when he left. all the sprinkler heads are about 3 inches under ground. this turned into a lot more work than i thought.

time to brag.

this was last year. she got first place.

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here is the family photo. thats me on the left, #2 brother, 930 in the middle and #1 brother, 89 on the right. yea, i left that open i know.

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So do the horses eat the hay or do they lay on it or what?


I don't get horses. I've had fun riding them on trails and what not but I just could never see owning one.

Just how badass can a Hells Angel look on a horse? How long are his buddies going to wait around for him to catch up?

i never would have thought twice about one either. my daughter loves them and i enjoy spending time with her and the horses. i have only been on them about 10 times now. but its about spending time with her. plus, she has no interest in boys what so ever. when she is happy, i am happy.
they are kinda fun to have around.

LMFAO coffee screen! sumthang about some hayburner drama!

Nice setup there T77. Daughter looks happy to be on the horse. I hope you get it sorted out.

thanks. its really been bothering me, and my wife. i think about the example the mother set for her daughter by calling me a lier over nothing. the daughter knows the facts, in fact, i think she feels ashamed to come down when she knows she has to use our food.

Not sure if I understand, but it sounds like the problem is with the boarders taking your hay for their own horses.

If so, think of the big picture.
-How much is daughter into the long-term horse thing vs. your time and energy?
-How much does it cost to board them in total? Do other boarders charge more in fees? Any other options?

Nice pics. Might be best to just let this blow over, and don't get involved with other families dramas.

im trying to let it blow over. nothing else has been said and i dought there will be.

they were not providing feed and my daughter was feeding their horse our feed. horses need some type of feed and hay. not so much hay in the summer if there is grass. the feed is what costs the most. 50lb bag around $17. about 3 bags per horse a month.

i bought hay for their horse last winter. i told the father i spent $230 on hay but i never saw any money. i did not expect to either. i did it so the little girl would be able to keep the horse.
i did not bring it up again until she made a big deal about the feed issue. even if i did not buy hay for their horse, it is too much trouble to seperate them so their horse would not eat what we put out for ours.


i board mine for free. i take care of things around the house and yard for her plus i put up the fence for the horses.
the lady that owns the property lives next to me. she is a single mom. the other people live down the street.

Is the lady that owns the property where you board your horse (and who is also causing you to use your feed and hay to feed her daughter's horse) charging you to board your horse there?

If so, based on what I think I understand about some of what you've said, you should get a break on the price based on the fact you are doing upkeep on the property and putting out food for her daughter's horse.

I grew up with horses, and there's nothing i rate higher then a horse. As a kid, all summer was me and my horse, i'de sleep in the grass and Apache ( her name , she was a pinto colored pony, from the states, not mustang though) would often lay down next to me and sleep there... I even had an accident, where Apache got jumped by something while i was close by, and i got kicked in the jaw, double fracture,full memory loss, the works... 1st thing i did when i came out of the hospital weeks later... was get on my horse and ride ... no saddle, no reigns...

That being said, i no longer ride for exactly that reason. I don't have land to keep one around the house. I'de have to put it up in some kind of stable, under care by somebody else. And i've seen to many weekend riders, that go to the place, ride weekly for the first months, then winter comes, hardly ride again, next summer, maybe twice a month... It sickens me to see those , often very nice horses, go to waste. Even my dad at some point after the divorce at the point where i wasn't speaking with him anymore for some other douchebag antics of his, stabled his horse in that place, and i simply went nuts when it turned out they were using Duchesse for bloody novice horse lessons, simply because he had not payed the stable bill... You have to keep in mind, Duchesse was pedigree, one of the best jumping horses in the region, she'de jump 1.8 meter obstacles, military obstacles, wet obstacles , whatever...And a very very sensitive horse. I went nuts when i saw them novices stomp their heels in her sides and yank the reigns simply because they were to green to command a horse of that caliber the right way.

So now i haven't ridden in close to 10 years, because there is no way i will pay a manege to ride worn down mentally numb horses, and there is no way i will buy my own horse to subject it to a stable , where i can't take care of it the way i think a horse should be taken care off. I could in theory buy a horse and build me a small stable in the back, but i know at the moment i have other priorities in life...

Same reason why i don't have a dog, i just can't go walking them every day, i'm single, and i get home late...

maybe this summer i'll ride, might visit my uncle in south of France, In the Camarques, he's good friends with a Manage there, a bull/horse ranch, them folks are like the classic cowboys in the US.. Maybe i can go riding with em for a day... I'll be saddle sore for the next 2 weeks... But it would be worth it... If they let me ..
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(Maybe they have an unwed daughter there... now that would solve ALL my problems!)

what $230 bucks for a horse? can I buy one and feed him in my back yard?

Sounds all too familiar, Stijn. I grew up around, and love horses as well. Alas, my life took another direction, and they are simply not in the cards for me anymore.

They are a lot of work. They are why we now have cars; we can just put them away when we are done and move right into the next pressing need in our busy lives. Not so the horse; if one cannot live with it, be with it every day, and nurture it, it will never be "your" horse. It will "belong" to whoever does that for it.

I'm lucky in that my brother-in-law lives close enough to occasionally visit, and he keeps horses. There is always one that needs exercising. Granted, my riding sucks anymore - it's a bit more than riding a bike, where one can quit for 30 years and hop right back on. But I get around, and have fun. And help feed and water them when we are done...

Stijn, it must be tough not doing something you love but I respect you greatly for choosing to do things the right (IMHO) way.

I hope someday you do acquire enough space to keep your own.

Right now, for us, we have deprioritized my wife's equine pursuits and have focused on raising our little one(s). So now I get to mow the grass a lot instead of picking up horse poop. :)

Jim Richards would say, "Snow Tires." I say. "Horse Shc!!t."

Hey, T77, you're a young guy because you don't use caps, but damn, can you try a paragraph?

One breath indeed.

I just pretend I'm back in high school reading e e cummings.

(Maybe they have an unwed daughter there... now that would solve ALL my problems!)
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