.45 gap

71T Targa · 09-08-2009, 06:14 AM

I may have a line on a .45 GAP and am wondering if anyone else has one.

I've been reading reviews and it seems to be the answer to the question nobody asked.

If you have one, what do you think? How hard is ammo to get? Do you think it's going to be harder to get in the future?

Jeff Higgins · 09-08-2009, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by 71T Targa

I've been reading reviews and it seems to be the answer to the question nobody asked.

Exactly.

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Originally Posted by 71T Targa

If you have one, what do you think? How hard is ammo to get? Do you think it's going to be harder to get in the future?

Unless you reload, I see the day rapidly approaching when you will no longer be able to get ammo for it.

Avoid this one like the plague. It's about as useless as they get.

on2wheels52 · on2wheels52's Garage

I tend to advise standard calibers. The idea has merit (a shorter .45 ACP with about the same ballistics, thus a small grip frame) but too much re-inventing of the wheel.
Jim

Jim Bremner · 09-08-2009, 07:39 AM

legion · 09-08-2009, 07:43 AM

Dude, get a gun that shoots trounds....

71T Targa · 09-08-2009, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by legion

Dude, get a gun that shoots trounds....

Had to google that... Do you really think the GAP is that obscure? Or will be?

legion · 09-08-2009, 08:00 AM

I hadn't heard of it before this thread. I've never seen a gun that shoots that round. I've never seen it for sale in a store.

What I consider "common" handgun rounds:

.22 LR
.22 Short
.25 Auto
.32 Auto
.38 Special
.357 Mag
.380 Auto
9mm Luger
.40 S&W
.44 Mag
.45 ACP

I can walk into any store that sells ammo, and at least see a spot on the shelf for each of the above even if it's not in stock.

m21sniper · 09-08-2009, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by 71T Targa

I may have a line on a .45 GAP and am wondering if anyone else has one.

I've been reading reviews and it seems to be the answer to the question nobody asked.

If you have one, what do you think? How hard is ammo to get? Do you think it's going to be harder to get in the future?

I predict that within 10 years it will be impossible to get ammo for it.

Just try and find a supply of this stuff, a caliber that was red hot in the early 90s:

.41 action express

m21sniper · 09-08-2009, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by legion

I hadn't heard of it before this thread. I've never seen a gun that shoots that round. I've never seen it for sale in a store.

What I consider "common" handgun rounds:

.22 LR
.22 Short
.25 Auto
.32 Auto
.38 Special
.357 Mag
.380 Auto
9mm Luger
.40 S&W
.44 Mag
.45 ACP

I can walk into any store that sells ammo, and at least see a spot on the shelf for each of the above even if it's not in stock.

One probably has to add .357 Sig to that list. It's actually kind of common nowadays. My brother sells quite a few of them.

on2wheels52 · on2wheels52's Garage

"One probably has to add .357 Sig to that list. It's actually kind of common nowadays."

It's been out 15 years and I haven't seen one come through yet. Maybe it's more of a big city thing.
Jim

jyl · jyl's Garage

Gyrojet.

m21sniper · 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by on2wheels52

"One probably has to add .357 Sig to that list. It's actually kind of common nowadays."

It's been out 15 years and I haven't seen one come through yet. Maybe it's more of a big city thing.
Jim

There are some major PD's using the .357 Sig. I don't think it's going anywhere any time soon. For my part i do see them stocked in all the local gunshops(both the guns and ammo), and it's not at all uncommon to see them in the indoor ranges being fired.

It's already well beyond a fad but even if it were, it would be a good one, as there was a legitimate and very specific reason to invent it. The idea was to specifically adapt the legendary .357 magnum 125 JHP round to a high capacity auto-pistol for police forces.

Just look at this list of police forces that use the .357 Sig, it clearly is not going anywhere any time soon:

"The SIG-Sauer P229 in .357 SIG is currently the standard issue firearm carried by agents and Police Officers of the United States Secret Service, the Bastrop County Texas Sheriff's Office, the North Carolina State Highway Patrol, Delaware State Police, Rhode Island State Police, Alameda County Sheriff's Office, Virginia State Police, Federal Air Marshals and the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration. The Pennsylvania Game Commission replaced the .357 Mag. with the .357 SIG. In most cases, it has replaced 10 mm, .40 S&W and 9 mm loads. In 1995, the Texas Department of Public Safety became the first government agency to implement the .357 SIG. The Tennessee Highway Patrol presently issues the Glock 31 pistol chambered in .357 SIG. The Bedford Heights Police Department (OH) currently issues the Glock 31/32 in .357 SIG. The Elloree Police Department in South Carolina Elloree Policealso issues the Glock 31, .357 SIG and the Madison Police Department in Madison, WV issues the Glock 32 in .357 SIG."

legion · 09-08-2009, 09:19 AM

Not arguing with you Sniper, but I've never seen .357 Sig or a gun that shoots it in person. I was aware that Glock makes a pistol that uses it, but I don't see it stocked locally.

m21sniper · 09-08-2009, 09:21 AM

Every time you see a USSS agent on TV escorting our beloved president you're looking at a .357 Sig user. (Rick Lee is also a .357 Sig user.)

Look at the list of police forces that use it in my last post. The .357 Sig is a highly established round.

Jeff Higgins · 09-08-2009, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by legion

I hadn't heard of it before this thread. I've never seen a gun that shoots that round. I've never seen it for sale in a store.

What I consider "common" handgun rounds:

.22 LR
.22 Short
.25 Auto
.32 Auto
.38 Special
.357 Mag
.380 Auto
9mm Luger
.40 S&W
.44 Mag
.45 ACP

I can walk into any store that sells ammo, and at least see a spot on the shelf for each of the above even if it's not in stock.

You forgot the .45 Colt.

71T Targa · 09-08-2009, 09:33 AM

Here's what Wikipedia has to say about the GAP:
Four state law enforcement agencies have adopted the .45 G.A.P. as a replacement to their current issue 9x19mm's (NY) or .40 S&W service handguns (GA, PA, SC). The New York State Police, Georgia State Patrol, Pennsylvania State Police, and South Carolina Highway Patrol have all adopted the Glock 37 and .45 G.A.P.

I was really hoping that someone would say they had one, love the way it shoots, and get all the ammo they need from 'somewhere'...

I'm keeping my options open...

Rick Lee · Rick Lee's Garage

I've owned three SIG's in .357SIG and still have one. I've never had a problem getting ammo for it. It's not cheap, but it's available and it's an excellent round.

m21sniper · 09-08-2009, 09:34 AM

Actually if that many cops are using the .45 GAP it does have a chance to catch on. I had no idea our state cops were using them.

legion · 09-08-2009, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

You forgot the .45 Colt.

My list was purely what I can find at any store that sells ammunition, and I can't find that at my local Wal Mart or Meijer. I can't find .32 S&W L at those stores either. A lot of older revolver rounds are getter rarer, at least by me.

BlueSkyJaunte · 09-08-2009, 09:52 AM

Hm...wonder if I can convert my DW RZ-10 (10mm) to .357 Sig. Supposedly a conversion to .40S&W is just a barrel change away, and since .357 Sig is just a bottle-necked .40...

When the .45GAP came out I had the same reaction to it as I did to the .327 Fed Mag. "Why???"

At my last visit to Bass Pro Shop (Friday) there were STACKS of .45GAP sitting on the shelf. Not much else though, except some very expensive 9mm JHPs.