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But in the end lap times matter. Telemetry just tells you where to begin improvements.

And on a street car, it is all for bragging rights anyway. Do you really think the average a-hole at the bar who just bought a ZR1 could actually lap the N-ring within 2 minuntes of the cars capability as he tells you how his car is faster than (fill in the blank).

"spec-racers" and sadly the majority of SoCal sporty car owners.

Anyway, I agree with you Schumi, just not sure its relevance on a street car where "sujective feel" is probably worth more in enjoyment than all out speed as measured by lap times/telemetry.

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Would have liked to see a better solution for the third brake light position as well as roll ups to accompany the "lightweight door" theme, but other than that, I think it's great. It'd be great to see the above pic with the bronze-finish rims found on the original concept.


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Old 11-17-2009, 11:41 AM
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But in the end lap times matter. Telemetry just tells you where to begin improvements.

And on a street car, it is all for bragging rights anyway. Do you really think the average a-hole at the bar who just bought a ZR1 could actually lap the N-ring within 2 minuntes of the cars capability as he tells you how his car is faster than (fill in the blank).

"spec-racers" and sadly the majority of SoCal sporty car owners.

Anyway, I agree with you Schumi, just not sure its relevance on a street car where "sujective feel" is probably worth more in enjoyment than all out speed as measured by lap times/telemetry.
Ah yes, the driver! Very important aspect. Speaking of data capturing.

Me driving a Kart exiting a left hander into a sharp right that continues into a double apex sweeping right onto a short straight followed by a sharp 180 left, then 170 right, and then sweeping out in a releasing right hander. His flat lines are below the clutches


Same kart, different driver. Observe as he steers to much as he gets near the apex's of the first sweeping right causing RPM drops, he hesitates down the straight towards the hairpins, and turns in too early, causing him to swing too wider out the other side, he doesn't lift in the 170 right hander but stays flat footed despite the bad setup into the turn, which causes the rear end to come out on exit, making the slight RPM jump, then the motor bogs down as the tires bite again. Net result, I could lap him in five minutes - and that is going off his best lap, which does not have near my consistency.


As for the car, me likes! I loved the Elise, I fit ok ,and am willing to deal with getting in/out despite being 6' 2", just no luggage, and I decided it wasn't what I thought it'd be a car, a track car and road car both. It does neither job well. This Boxster Spyder would have the fun handling of a lightweight road car, and have a lot more power.

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