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have you heard this 911 call?

i admit, she kept it much cooler than i think i could..

911 operator never should have "encouraged" the right to protect her property with lethal force. I imagine the department was sued nicely.

You don't have to discourage it, but she was obviously giving her the go ahead to kill this guy (more than twice)....bad decision even though she was right.

That being said the homeowner did the right thing, it's just not something that the operator should have ok'd. She should have pushed the go to another room and lock the door option. Now this dbag's family is loaded with city money no doubt.

chilling.

didnt the dispatcher simply forward the "green light" from the responding officer? man, maybe i should replace my home phone. the option to dial, get the operator, leave the phone connected, and retreating to a defendable position seems like a good one.

CASTLE DOCTRINE.

Nobody should have to re-treat in their own home.

I feel bad for that woman. She wasn't a bloodthirsty maniac or as "right" as any of us could be comfortably behind our computers. She didn't want to it nor wanted to have had done it. I'd never want to be in that position.

Unclear as to why when holding a loaded gun, she didn't say something to the guy....even before he broke in the door. Shoot out a window, rack the gun or whatever. Even once he broke in, even as she said he had a gun, he probably wasn't expecting HER to have a gun.

I'd be interested in the back/after story.

My spidey senses tell me.... well, they just tell me...

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Originally Posted by futuresoptions (Post 5057967)

My spidey senses tell me.... well, they just tell me...

that it sounds a bit contrived?

I think she was predetermining her course of action and not giving any verbal warnings to the intruder... Not that I don't think she was in the right to do what she did once the guy got in, I just get the feeling that she was getting a kick out of getting to kill someone until she pulled the trigger.... I may be wrong... but most women I think would be scared *****less yelling at the intruder and not having a conversation about killing someone with a dispatcher...

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Originally Posted by futuresoptions (Post 5058007)

I think she was predetermining her course of action and not giving any verbal warnings to the intruder... Not that I don't think she was in the right to do what she did once the guy got in, I just get the feeling that she was getting a kick out of getting to kill someone until she pulled the trigger.... I may be wrong... but most women I think would be scared *****less yelling at the intruder and not having a conversation about killing someone with a dispatcher...

I disagree. I don't think she wanted to kill the dude before or after. BUt I don't understand the lack of warning. Then again, I'm not in her shoes.

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Originally Posted by VaSteve (Post 5058013)

I disagree. I don't think she wanted to kill the dude before or after. BUt I don't understand the lack of warning. Then again, I'm not in her shoes.

Yeah, that's why I said that I may be wrong... I just imagine my 79yr old mom or my wife or one of my daughters in that situation.... I know that they would be yelling things at the person knocking on the door like "The police are on the way!" "You need to leave!" "I have a gun and I am not afraid to use it!"..... She was telling the dispatcher she had a gun and was not afraid to use it... just seems a$$ backwards odd to me...

This will be interesting. He had a wreck and was probably trying to get to a phone fast.

I'm all for defending one's property with deadly force if needed especially if it's obvious they're bad guys, but this may just be someone trying to get help from a wreck.

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Originally Posted by 125shifter (Post 5058084)

no way!!!??? how do you know this?

Every situation is different and you have to figure that this lady had no military/law enforcement training (why I gave examples of my family in this situation..) But I believe that if he just breaks in then BOOM he is dead... In this particular situation (while justified in my opinion ) quite a bit of time was passing by with her not trying to communicate any type of warning to the intruder...
I guess I consider his knocking on the door an attempt to make contact with someone...(maybe to use the phone..) if it were an emergency and no one answered the door I would probably break in to use a phone if my life or the life of someone else was on the line... I would have been shot trying to save someone in this situation due to the homeowner not communicating...

Apparently, there was an accident of some sort.

NewsOK

After reading that longer report, I say good for both women.

If I really needed to get into someone's house for an emergency I wouldn't start at the back door and then throw a chair through a large window.

In the paper today it was announced the shooting was justified. There will be no charges filed against the home owner.

Don't try to break into a house in Oklahoma. Good guys 1 bad guys ZERO.

Why would anyone give warning before killing an intruder? I would not and I would not call 911 before doing so. You call them after you call your lawyer. They can't do anything for you except send someone to clean up the mess.

ZERO problem with how this was handled. I can think of a number of reasons why the homeowner didn't say anything and I doubt that if she hollered at the dude that the outcome would have been different.

Sounds to me like the perp was all hopped up on goof-balls (LOL)

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A ‘bizarre’ situation
Lincoln County Sheriff Chuck Mangion said dispatchers first got the call from Jackson about 12:40 a.m., after her dogs’ barking woke her up.
The man shot and killed at Jackson’s home, Billy Dean Riley, 53, was no stranger to the sheriff’s office.

"I’d say he’s been in an out of jail since he was old enough to go to jail,” Mangion said. "He has a long history of drug and alcohol-related offenses.”

But what has the sheriff puzzled is why the intruder was so determined to break into Jackson’s rather fortified home, marked by a locked gate and "Beware of the dog” signs.

"As to what his motives were in trying to break into the house remains unclear,” Mangion said.

Jackson said the man was talking "crazy.” He apparently didn’t know where his pickup was, and he kept yelling for someone named "Pat.”

Mangion said his deputies found Riley’s pickup just down the secluded rural road, and it appeared the vehicle had left the roadway and run into a ditch.

Inside the pickup, investigators found Riley’s sister, Patricia Ellen Totty, 45, unconscious from what they called an overdose of alcohol and narcotics. She was taken to a Stroud hospital, where she was later listed in good condition.

Mangion said he couldn’t say whether Riley had gone to the house to get help for his sister.

"He didn’t go to the front door or ring the door bell to try to gain entry,” the sheriff said.

Mangion said Riley is a repeat offender, but local officers have never seen him do anything like this before.

"Dealing with him, I can tell you that when he had a load on, he could be a pretty mean individual,” the sheriff said. "But this is just bizarre. I’ve been doing this for 35 years, and this one is pretty much a mind-blower.”

Court records show Riley, of Sparks, has a number of driving under the influence of alcohol convictions, including convictions in Lincoln County in 1997, 1999, 2001 and 2004. He was convicted of public intoxication in Lincoln County in 2002 and of possession of marijuana in Lincoln County in 1998.