Just finished/tested my prototype indoor bullet trap

[lm6y]

Wow Sherwood. Just Wow. Tim has guns. Tim likes to shoot guns. Tim has a legal right to own guns. Tim is more responsible than most people you are likely to ever meet. Get over it.

[lendaddy]

Originally Posted by 911pcars

You're concerned about lead dust inside your building but not outside? What do your neighbors think? Do you care?

"I hate OSHA, EPA, etc,...."

That's apparent, but can you be a little more responsible with the lead dust you're creating?

Sherwood

Wait....you're worried about the lead dust from the occasionally fired 22 caliber pistol that emits from the friction/fragmentation of a fractional ounce bullet striking the trap, a infinitesimally small portion of which goes airborne then exits the pole building via the stack of an exhaust fan acres away from the nearest neighbor????


AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! seriously you made my day.

[on2wheels52]

And we can assume someone is going to be melting the leftovers into something perhaps bigger than .22?
Jim

[Tim Hancock]

Originally Posted by on2wheels52

And we can assume someone is going to be melting the leftovers into something perhaps bigger than .22?
Jim

Yep..... The beauty of this type of very gradual angled type trap is that very little fragmentation/dusting occurs vs most other types of traps. I am able to capture pretty much all of the lead. When I shoot outside I do not get to re-use any of the lead...... hmmm on second thought maybe I should shoot more outdoors just to p!ss off the tree hugging environuts.

Oh yeah.... Sherwoodly, my neighbor appreciates the fact that I shoot.... especially when I shoot furry helpless varmints in her yard. The next neighbor 1/2 mile away shoots alot himself and the next closest neighbor 1 mile away shoots often and hunts bambi every year on my and my other neighbor's property. Oddly enough, crops still grow on the surrounding property, fish and frogs still live in our pond, our dog and cats are all still healthy and none of us have ever had any form of cancer. On top of all that, for some odd reason we don't seem to be suffering from global warming.... huh

PS Sherwoodforesthugger, my paint exhaust fan output is filtered. I wonder if I could get better flow if I removed the filters. Same goes for a Shop-Vac.

[Tim Hancock]

Just scored at Walmart today with 6 more hard to find "cheap" Federal 550 value packs which my Mark II happens to love. Just need a couple more lucky trips to Walmart for some more Golden Bullets (my Glock .22 conversion likes these) and maybe another 12 boxes of Federal and I should be good to go with a bunch of nightly practice.




After a few months of constant calls to local Walmarts I am good to go with 9mm practice ammo for the winter and have about 1300 empty cases to start reloading when the primer shortage eases up.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Nicely done sir. Unfortunately I'd probably manage to miss that nice trap.

[911pcars]

Originally Posted by Tim Hancock

Yep..... The beauty of this type of very gradual angled type trap is that very little fragmentation/dusting occurs vs most other types of traps. I am able to capture pretty much all of the lead. When I shoot outside I do not get to re-use any of the lead...... hmmm on second thought maybe I should shoot more outdoors just to p!ss off the tree hugging environuts.

Oh yeah.... Sherwoodly, my neighbor appreciates the fact that I shoot.... especially when I shoot furry helpless varmints in her yard. The next neighbor 1/2 mile away shoots alot himself and the next closest neighbor 1 mile away shoots often and hunts bambi every year on my and my other neighbor's property. Oddly enough, crops still grow on the surrounding property, fish and frogs still live in our pond, our dog and cats are all still healthy and none of us have ever had any form of cancer. On top of all that, for some odd reason we don't seem to be suffering from global warming.... huh

PS Sherwoodforesthugger, my paint exhaust fan output is filtered. I wonder if I could get better flow if I removed the filters. Same goes for a Shop-Vac.

Tim,
I'm not against your right to use firearms to hunt, but lead has a potential range far beyond that of your target pistols. The prey that doesn't get brought down by hunter's bullets and pellets will eventually die, then their carcass will be eaten by whatever is in the food chain. Eagles, condors, hawks, vultures, owls, wolves, coyotes and other animals of prey end up ingesting the tainted morsels, and so on. Same effect as mercury, pesticides and industrial chemicals in our seafood.

Tree hugger? How about responsible hunting and rational thinking?

There are alternatives to lead bullets.
Alternatives to Lead Bullets

... and a refresher on seafood:
Common Questions About Contaminants in Fish - Seafood Selector - Environmental Defense Fund

Sherwood

[porsche4life]

Sherwood have you ever bought a solid copper bullet? Not cheap for target practice....

[911pcars]

Originally Posted by porsche4life

Sherwood have you ever bought a solid copper bullet? Not cheap for target practice....

Save the good stuff for hunting. It's sorta like shooting film instead of digital. When you have so many exposures at hand, you tend to be more careful about using them up. For example, Ansel Adams hiked around the Sierras with not so many 8x10 film holders; didn't have that many to waste compared with a full 12 or 36 exp. on each roll of film.

Sherwood

[porsche4life]

So use lead for target practice... and catch it and melt it down for reuse? Like Tim is doing? Most hunters do use something a little more than just lead... Its not accurate enough....

[azasadny]

Tim,
Excellent work! Save the brass for me and Tab Tanner (if you don't reload).

[Tim Hancock]

Art,

I think my wife has bought a progressive reloading press for me for x-mas and I intend to reload all of my 9mm brass because most of the serious IDPA competitors are using 147 gr bullets vs the common store bought 115 gr stuff. When loaded properly, the 147 gr stuff just makes legal power factor for the class, but has less recoil for getting back on target faster.

Once I have shot up all my store bought 115 gr inventory, I should have a little over 4000 once fired cases to reload. Unfortunately I have to use plated bullets in the Glock (unless I go with an aftermarket barrel) which are a bit pricier. I will end up with close to the same money reloading as the store bought stuff, but it will be the lighter recoiling loads neccessary for competition.

[Tim Hancock]

Originally Posted by 911pcars

Tim,
I'm not against your right to use firearms to hunt, but lead has a potential range far beyond that of your target pistols. The prey that doesn't get brought down by hunter's bullets and pellets will eventually die, then their carcass will be eaten by whatever is in the food chain. Eagles, condors, hawks, vultures, owls, wolves, coyotes and other animals of prey end up ingesting the tainted morsels, and so on. Same effect as mercury, pesticides and industrial chemicals in our seafood.

Tree hugger? How about responsible hunting and rational thinking?



Sherwood

I don't "hunt" although I do blast my fair share of furry catfood stealing varmints. I am not worried the slightest bit about where my lead ends up so long as it does not end up in me in high levels from inhaling a high concentration of lead dust in a confined space without some sort of exhaust system.

[vash]

industry puts more lead into our world than a bunch of jethros shooting into the hillsides. but i see a lead ban spreading from the hills of california to the rest of the country soon enough.

tim, i wonder if you could shoot one .22 bullet into the trap, and weigh the fragment? just curious.

[Joeaksa]

Very nice work... as usual!

[Tim Hancock]

Originally Posted by vash

tim, i wonder if you could shoot one .22 bullet into the trap, and weigh the fragment? just curious.

I had one in my pocket today to show a co-worker. It was a Federal value pack 36 grain hollow point (about 1260 FPS muzzle IIRC). It now weighs 1.4 grams on our crappy digital scale which is about 22 grains. I will check some more later if I think of it. I am guessing solid bullets will retain more of their weight than hollowpoints. More gradual angles and possibly a spray mist would also help.



I quickly dumped three ten rounds strings into this target this morning prior to heading out the door for work this morning (yeah I suck which is precisely why I need this trap to practice with). I noticed a slight amount of splatter traces when I looked at the target (have not noticed this before). My guess is that I have some small pieces of lead sticking to the lead-in portion of the tube at the back..... will check it out tonight.

[911boost]

Nice work on the trap.

Sweet target, where did you get it?

Bill

[Tim Hancock]

Originally Posted by BSiple

Nice work on the trap.

Sweet target, where did you get it?

Bill

Guy at work gave me a few choice targets..... I have a few other better ones along those lines that I probably should not post pictures of.

(hint.. Google Image search "Obama urinal target")

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by mbrouder

Is it generally legal to fire a gun in your basement?

Not here, but some of us do it anyway.

You'd be amazed just how large a caliber weapon you can fire in your home and not have anyone call the cops....LOL

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by 911pcars

You're concerned about lead dust inside your building but not outside? What do your neighbors think? Do you care?

"I hate OSHA, EPA, etc,...."

That's apparent, but can you be a little more responsible with the lead dust you're creating?

Sherwood

You just won the douche of the minute award.

Congrats!!!