Tiger...redux

[Z-man]

Originally Posted by dd74

But really, he's no smarter, cleaner, wiser or dedicated than any other sleazeball out there because he gave a statement. He's a mockery.

I don't think that's a fair judgement call.

A public statement won't clean anyone up, but a couple of months of rehab may.

It is very difficult to gauge one's path to recovery -- only Tiger knows his own heart. And his recovery is completely up to him -- based on how seriously he deals with his addiction, and how willing is he to change his ways. There's probably a boat load of skelatons in that man's closet that will now be needing to be dealt with.

-Z-man.

[aways]

Originally Posted by aways

Do you really think I meant that he literally had "no choice"? Of course he had a choice, but it was figuratively between being shot or hung. The point is that he would be criticized no matter what he did. He made a choice to apologize, so what the freaking big deal? Personally, I don't care whether he apologized or not. Why do you?

I will say that although I don't care whether he apologized or not, I do agree that it shouldn't be expected that he apologize.... If that's where you're coming from, I agree with you. And upon further consideration, you're right, my saying he "had no choice", was a poor way of expressing my take the situation.

[dd74]

Originally Posted by Z-man

I don't think that's a fair judgement call.

A public statement won't clean anyone up, but a couple of months of rehab may.

It is very difficult to gauge one's path to recovery -- only Tiger knows his own heart. And his recovery is completely up to him -- based on how seriously he deals with his addiction, and how willing is he to change his ways. There's probably a boat load of skelatons in that man's closet that will now be needing to be dealt with.

-Z-man.

There's a boat's load of women -- that's for sure. One being an ex-porn star that he pursued.

Which brings up something even more interesting about his "addiction." To me, addiction is when one can't stop themselves, no matter the given circumstances. Sex addiction would seem on par with serial rapist, IMO. In Tiger's case, as a pursuer, he seems more like a womanizer. I think the sex addict stuff is an easy out -- again, H'wood sleaziness.

And his apology? Contrived doesn't begin to explain it.

[island911]

Yes, Hollywood.. But at least you have Gloria Allred, fighting for the poor hooker who BELIEVED the married Tiger. Boy is SHE owed an apology. And certainly all she wants is an apology, and NOT a stack of cash.

[BeyGon]

Why do you people even care who he was bangin, the big problem I see is none of them were half as good looking as his wife. I would have to have a mask of her for their faces if it was me doing it. The only problem I see is in his taste.

[Neilk]

IRONY

I read an AP article about his apology and at the bottom of the article there was this priceless tidbit

Veronica Siwik-Daniels, one of Woods' alleged mistresses and a former pornographic performer, watched the event with her attorney in a Los Angeles radio studio. She said she wants an apology for the unwanted attention the scandal has brought her.

"I really feel I deserve to look at him in person face to face in the eyes because I did not deserve this," she said.

WTF? No one would have know about her if she hadn't open her big fat mouth and admitted it and is now on the radio. She's not only a whore but a fame whore as well!

[Dueller]

That had to be tough for Woods. And I don't think it was to salvage his sponsorship deals, etc. I think he was truly contrite.

As to the need to apologize to the ones he hurt with his actions, that's one of the first steps to personal recovery. I think he was most sincere when he told the media to leave his children out of this...stop stalking them on the way to school, etc.

I do think there was a need for the public contrition...he is a product of the media and he is the figurehead for a number of publicly supported charities/foundations, so I think that is the venue where he should apologize.

So he's a great golfer but has character flaws. While it is nice for all of us to say we have such strong scruples to resist excessive behaviour, I doubt any of us has ever been faced with essentially unlimited resources of wealth, popularity, adoration, awe, etc and the accompanying tendency to feel entitled to whatever temptation that comes your way as a result.

If he moves forward from this point and privately tries to salvage his life without doing the Oprah show, he will have my respect.

[aways]

Originally Posted by Dueller

That had to be tough for Woods. And I don't think it was to salvage his sponsorship deals, etc. I think he was truly contrite.

As to the need to apologize to the ones he hurt with his actions, that's one of the first steps to personal recovery. I think he was most sincere when he told the media to leave his children out of this...stop stalking them on the way to school, etc.

I do think there was a need for the public contrition...he is a product of the media and he is the figurehead for a number of publicly supported charities/foundations, so I think that is the venue where he should apologize.

So he's a great golfer but has character flaws. While it is nice for all of us to say we have such strong scruples to resist excessive behaviour, I doubt any of us has ever been faced with essentially unlimited resources of wealth, popularity, adoration, awe, etc and the accompanying tendency to feel entitled to whatever temptation that comes your way as a result.

If he moves forward from this point and privately tries to salvage his life without doing the Oprah show, he will have my respect.

Concur.

[McLovin]

Originally Posted by Dueller

As to the need to apologize to the ones he hurt with his actions, that's one of the first steps to personal recovery.

Does he have cancer or something? What's he recovering from?

[dd74]

Originally Posted by Dueller

So he's a great golfer but has character flaws.

John Daly had flaws. But he was just a drunk on the green. Tiger's character flaws are a bit deeper and more resentful because of the public personae he pursued.

Originally Posted by Dueller

While it is nice for all of us to say we have such strong scruples to resist excessive behaviour...

Who of us, said this?

Originally Posted by Dueller

...I doubt any of us has ever been faced with essentially unlimited resources of wealth, popularity, adoration, awe, etc and the accompanying tendency to feel entitled to whatever temptation that comes your way as a result.

And thus, he's a victim of himself. 'Kay.

[widgeon13]

Yeah, he's sorry, sorry he got caught.

Wealth and character are strange bedfellows.

[DonDavis]

Originally Posted by Dueller

I think he was truly contrite.

I would suppose that my man Dueller has quite a bit of experience in judging whether or not a person really means their apology.

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by Dueller

That had to be tough for Woods. And I don't think it was to salvage his sponsorship deals, etc. I think he was truly contrite.

Shirley, you can't be serious. If he was truly contrite, he'd not have had to read from a prepared statement. Why even bother? Just send it out as a press release or read it on his website. Standing there after a few weeks of coaching and having his lawyers and PR folks write up that statement and then reading it like a robot was nothing more than a PR stunt. None of this is anyone's business other than his and his wife's. Going public like this just screams he's trying to either feel good about himself again or get sponsors to want to pick him back up.

[johnnywishbone]

little people love to see big people fall.

[Oh Haha]

Does he think that people are NOT going to say things about it on the golf course?

The hecklers will have a field day!!!

It's just sad that this part of his life will be an asterisk next to his name forever.

He was/is a great golfer.

[dd74]

Originally Posted by johnnywishbone

little people love to see big people fall.

Speaking of "canned" statements...

[Bill Douglas]

The strange thing is in 6 months time he will be old news and back on the golf circut just like he always was. Who was it; Kate Moss with cocaine, she got dropped by the sponsors and now that Tiger's come along (and a few other A-listers who have fallen from grace) her activities are forgotten about and it's Kate with the nip slip, and "oh so beautiful Kate" again. Tiger's just hoping for someone bigger than himself to mess up soon.

[Dottore]

Originally Posted by dd74

Secondly, at the outset, it was Tiger's choice to make Tiger a public figure. He participated in a multitude of traditional and internet media to increase his public personae. By his actions alone, he became one of the most visible athletes on Earth.

I've never bought the argument that if you are a public figure, the public owns you. I think that's nonsense.

I've never understood why Clinton agreed to answer some of the outrageously personal questions that were put to him.

I agree entirely with Tiger not answering questions. IMO though, he should not have held the press conference. I would simply have issued a statement saying "the personal difficulties I am having in my marriage are no one else's business". Full stop.

[dd74]

Originally Posted by Dottore

I've never bought the argument that if you are a public figure, the public owns you. I think that's nonsense.

I've never understood why Clinton agreed to answer some of the outrageously personal questions that were put to him.

I agree entirely with Tiger not answering questions. IMO though, he should not have held the press conference. I would simply have issued a statement saying "the personal difficulties I am having in my marriage are no one else's business". Full stop.

Yes, he could have and I think should have done that. And none, really would be the wiser.

The local media seemed surprised when it was announced he would be speaking.

The irony, I imagine, is they sort of forgot Tiger in lieu of Winter Olympic games, IRS Terrorists, et al. But now he's back with a...ahem...roar.

[scottmandue]

Personally I wish they would just drop all this coverage of Tiger.

It is making it difficult to get the latest updates on Paris Hilton and Lindsey Lohan!

Not to mention how am I to keep up with that red headed snowboarder!

The media has some messed up priorities if you ask me!

And what about Rosie O'Donnell's unfortunate childhood?