Tiger...redux

[GWN7]

Originally Posted by Dottore

I've never bought the argument that if you are a public figure, the public owns you. I think that's nonsense.

I agree entirely with Tiger not answering questions. IMO though, he should not have held the press conference. I would simply have issued a statement saying "the personal difficulties I am having in my marriage are no one else's business". Full stop.

+1

He owes no one but his wife a explaination.

All the women that jumped up and said "Me Too!!" are looking for a payday

[scottmandue]

Originally Posted by Dueller

So he's a great golfer but has character flaws. While it is nice for all of us to say we have such strong scruples to resist excessive behaviour, I doubt any of us has ever been faced with essentially unlimited resources of wealth, popularity, adoration, awe, etc and the accompanying tendency to feel entitled to whatever temptation that comes your way as a result.

But Duelly... baby... don't you know we are entitled to judge others.

[Seahawk]

The difference between T and C is one is a golfer, beholden to absolutely no one other than the prurient, the other was an elected official who lied under oath.

Originally Posted by Dottore

I've never bought the argument that if you are a public figure, the public owns you. I think that's nonsense.

I've never understood why Clinton agreed to answer some of the outrageously personal questions that were put to him.

I agree entirely with Tiger not answering questions. IMO though, he should not have held the press conference. I would simply have issued a statement saying "the personal difficulties I am having in my marriage are no one else's business". Full stop.

[Dottore]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

The difference between T and C is one is a golfer, beholden to absolutely no one other than the prurient, the other was an elected official who lied under oath.

I appreciate the difference, and the problem of an elected official lying under oath.

My point is that Clinton should never have been asked many of the questions he was asked. They were an impertinence. And he certainly shouldn't have answered them.

He should, in my view, just have refused to answer.

There are spheres of our lives that are private to each of us, and the fact that Clinton was elected doesn't change that.

Ditto for Tiger. I wish he'd show some cojones and just tell the media to feck off. But there's too much sponsorship money at stake I guess.

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by Dottore

There are spheres of our lives that are private to each of us, and the fact that Clinton was elected doesn't change that.

It does given the clearances and the whole commander in chief thing. He was required, by the strictures of his elected office, to live by many the same rules I had to: moral clauses, financial disclosures, don't f the help, no dope smoking, etc...he left the privacy of the private sector behind when was elected. It is an argument best left to two glasses of scotch.

Originally Posted by Dottore

Ditto for Tiger. I wish he'd show some cojones and just tell the media to feck off. But there's too much sponsorship money at stake I guess.

Agreed, with one caveat: There is no such thing as bad press in the long run...what a priceless reach for Nike.

[Dottore]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

It is an argument best left to two glasses of scotch.

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You're on. But given the subject it should be scotch and cigars.

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by Dottore

You're on. But given the subject it should be scotch and cigars.

Yup...and I'll bring, "Redemption Song" from Marley.

[Racerbvd]

My point is that Clinton should never have been asked many of the questions he was asked. They were an impertinence. And he certainly shouldn't have answered them.

He should, in my view, just have refused to answer.

There are spheres of our lives that are private to each of us, and the fact that Clinton was elected doesn't change that.

Sorry, but he was already being investigated for sexual harassment, among other things.....
The History Place - Impeachment: Bill Clinton

Paula Jones/President Bill Clinton

Staying in the realm of the government, President Clinton himself came under fire for alleged sexual harassment. Paula Jones was a state employee when Clinton was Governor of Arkansas. In 1991, she claimed that Clinton exposed himself and asked her for oral sex in a hotel room. Clinton denied all allegations.

After several rounds of filing, Jones's lawsuit was dismissed for failing to state a claim. During the appeals process, a settlement was reached. Jones dropped her suit against Clinton in exchange for $850,000. However, she never received an admission of guilt or an apology.

Jones's allegations paved the way for investigating the President's sex life. The Monica Lewinsky scandal and the impeachment of President Clinton were big follow-ups to the Paula Jones case.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Probably the best take I've seen on it: Bill Simmons on the Tiger Woods speech - ESPN

A few tidbits:

"Everything about it seemed staged. Everything. When the main camera broke down at the nine-minute mark and Tiger had to be shown from the side, I half-expected to see that he was plugged in to the wall."

"Whatever. I was going to leave it alone. After all, that had to have been a humiliating experience for the guy. But listening to talking heads praise that ludicrous speech pushed me over the edge. Someone actually said, "It came from the heart." It did? Was it C3PO's heart? I thought it seemed like an automated response from Microsoft's new "Cheater's Confession" program."

"He spoke for the next 13 and a half minutes. He spoke … like this. There was … no emotion … in his words. His face … was blank … and empty. Part of me … felt bad … for him. There were … a couple of moments … when it seemed … like … he was trying … to shed a tear … or have his voice catch … just for effect. You get … the idea."

"He came off like Schwarzenegger in "Terminator 2.""


All good stuff. Personally I could care less, the guy is a freaking GOLFER. Who he bangs, other than being amusing, has no effect on my life. But considering this joke of an apology, he would have been better off in hiding.

[sjf911]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

Yup...and I'll bring, "Redemption Song" from Marley.

Who's bringing the fish sauce to dip the cigars in?

[McLovin]

Originally Posted by Dottore

IMO though, he should not have held the press conference. I would simply have issued a statement saying "the personal difficulties I am having in my marriage are no one else's business". Full stop.

Tiger is far too big of a sell out to do that.

[Buckterrier]

Originally Posted by dd74

Well, after emerging from two months of sex therapy, his public speaking skills could now use some work. What a lousy speech, and worse yet, what a louse.

A long, drawn out canned apology from a canned man, and every L.A. radio station didn't miss the opportunity to completely ridicule him (I listened to it on the way in to work).

Honestly, he should have kept quiet and returned to the golf course to do the job the public expects of him.

Cast the first stone dude.

The man used the word cheat. Do you have any idea how difficult that was for him? He had the BALLS to say cheat. The whole speech, do you have any friggin' idea????

Whom ever you are glad you're perfect.

[pwd72s]

Back to the chest thread...

[motion]

Tiger Woods makes me wish the internets were never born. I don't read newspapers or watch TV, but somehow I still trip across this crap on the internet.

[Aurel]

That Tiger interview spoof is pretty funny:

[HardDrive]

Originally Posted by johnnywishbone

little people love to see big people fall.

+1

This thread is pathetic.

[dd74]

Originally Posted by Buckterrier

Cast the first stone dude.

The man used the word cheat. Do you have any idea how difficult that was for him? He had the BALLS to say cheat. The whole speech, do you have any friggin' idea????

Whom ever you are glad you're perfect.

It sometimes seems the guys who defend cheaters are cheaters themselves. So how 'bout it Terrier? Been going out on Mrs. Terrier?

[dd74]

Originally Posted by HardDrive

+1

This thread is pathetic.

And it took you three pages to figure that out. LOL!

[Buckterrier]

Originally Posted by dd74

It sometimes seems the guys who defend cheaters are cheaters themselves. So how 'bout it Terrier? Been going out on Mrs. Terrier?

I'm not defending him what so ever. Just saying someone that is so arrogant having to show humility is difficult at best.
And my personal life is none of your business.

Originally Posted by dd74

And it took you three pages to figure that out. LOL!

You started the thread.

[scottmandue]

Ya know Tiger is a pretty smart guy... and he is surrounded by smart people (agents, lawyers. etc.)

I'm sure they all knew the best thing to do would to be keep silent and the whole thing would pass.

Obviously Tiger felt the need to apologize publicly... for whatever reason.

And yeah the speech was staged (duh) he is a golfer not a politician... he is not expected to give speeches.