Should I file a police report?

[911Rob]

Oh sorry Shaun, I'm XXL

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by 911Rob

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2. My momma taught me right; if you're gonna flog your chocolate bar in front of your friends, then you'd better have enough to share with everyone. Shaun should really be giving us ALL free T-shirts, this imo would redeem his actions...

Nah! Just goes to show...you only need to buy a couple of friends to get by here.

[911Rob]

Originally Posted by m21sniper

I won't dispute that at all.....snip..... had my left cheek bone broke clean in two once ....snip.....

Ouch!
I had this happen to me in a fight once too; Lethbridge, AB in 1983. After a couple bottles of aspirin and a few days of headaches I went to the hospital. They cut me at my ear, under my eye in the eye lid and in my upper gums to fasten a disolving cast to my cheek bone. I lost all the feeling in my face for about a year, and some of the feeling for about 2 years and still cant feel parts of my face to this date.

the tough little bustard that threw his feet into my face went to jail for armed robbery two days later, so I never saw him again.

Kinda funny though, I think I enjoyed it?

[911Rob]

fwiw fint, without any intent to tick off anyone here, I read your post a few pages back and agreed with it too.
Cheers bro

Coming from da hood (ha ha) you understand quickly that there are the do's and don'ts when it comes to hammer time; in fact, I'd have had my butt kicked many more times if the odds were more in favour of the do's; but fact is, most are don'ts; they call it the Pareto Principle Denis spelled it out in his posts, when it's go time, you go.

[DARISC]

Originally Posted by 911Rob

...1. I agree with speeder's posts, the guy has it knocked down to a T...

Yup. And add nostatic. For the lazy bastards who may have jumped in late in the game and haven't read this thread from the beginning, here's a recap Edited - personal attack removed. -Z-man.

Originally Posted by speeder

Exactly. There are certain situations in life that are just guaranteed losers. I'm glad that the situation did not turn out worse but a little common sense is in order:

Dollars to donuts, he thinks that you're doinking his GF. Were you? You left that out. Homie wants to get a job at the baby shirt factory and see what's goin' on. You tell him, "I don't think we'd get along." What playbook did that one come out of?? What's wrong with, "I'll let you know" ? The tried and true brush-off used since the cavemen days? Jeezus...

THEN, you physically crowd him or "escort" him to the door? With no intention (or balls) for a physical fight? WTF playbook does that come out of? Even I would not have done that. Just sit at your desk, (or knitting table/loom/whatever), and ask him to leave. If you'd followed common sense and not said something biitch-like first, it would never have gotten to this stage. He'd just be leaving now.

The *head-push* thing was him wanting to break you in half but the "I don't want to go (back) to prison urge fighting with what was in his balls. I've been there. Once he touched you, though, it's simple assault w/ no witnesses from the sound of things. Thank god he did not go completely USPS on you, it sounds like he hates you bigtime.

Is he a credible threat? Depends on how cowardly he is. The bigger the coward, the more you have to worry. Those are the guys who wind up on the 6 o' clock news, generally.

Take a common sense class at your local community college, if there is such a thing before something really bad happens. And yes, you were right to make a police report.

Originally Posted by nostatic

This is why you get in fights. You have a totally warped definition of terms, and/or have an ego that is so fragile you need to take a swing when it is mildly threatened.

Someone invading your personal space isn't an attack. The results of Shaun's incident show that there was nothing to defense against. The whole thing essentially is a male pissing match and showdown of egos. If someone is man enough to walk away from that, or better yet, avoid it in the first place, then there is no confrontation.

For me, the time to fight is when there is no other choice. That's what I've been taught. Luckily I haven't hit that situation, and I've been in some *very* sketchy times/places.

Originally Posted by speeder

Thing is, physical confrontations are to be avoided at all costs. To many bad possible outcomes and a lot to lose. I know some really, really tough guys who are long-since retired from brawling because they wanted to quit while they were ahead. That's not to say that they would not defend themselves or even just knock someone out if angered bad enough but the consequences can be ugly. Most fights between men who are strangers are over something really stupid or insignificant, usually ego.

I don't want to hurt someone and I don't want to get hurt. A few years ago, I considered training in MMA and entering some "smokers" which are short bouts w/ headgear and gloves for amateurs from various martial arts studios to compete against one another. I have friends who have done it and had fun. I thought that maybe I was the toughest white-haired, middle-aged 170 lb. dude in town and it would be entertaining to "open up a can of Minnesota" on some unsuspecting fool in the chain link arena. Since I'm the world's worst procrastinator, I never did it. Plus, I'm waaay too lazy for the necessary training. Who knows? Maybe I would have gotten put in a coma or paralyzed and be posting here by blinking my eyes to a fat nurse who takes dictation.

Even in the infamous slapping incident that earned my (bad) rep around here, I was not the instigator. I was having a verbal discussion with some guy, (and being reasonable IMO), when he jumped up in my face and I reacted by hitting him with a round-house biotch slap that basically rebooted his ECU. Those situations are to be avoided. My criticism of the OP was that I think that he instigated the situation, albeit perhaps unwittingly.

Originally Posted by nostatic

+1

It takes two to tango. And never underestimate the need of a male ego to flex itself, especially in front of a woman.

We never did get a pic of the woman involved in this little soirée.

Originally Posted by speeder

Might have been dipping his pen in company ink, as the old saying goes.

Originally Posted by nostatic

I don't necessarily think that is the case, but if there is a reasonably cute woman around and the male ego is even slightly threatened, things tend to go south quickly. The whole peacock thing is genetic...

Originally Posted by nostatic

Lots of people who were "within their rights" that now are dead or in jail.

Stupid decisions generally get stupid results. Discretion is the better part of valor. But ymmv and obviously does.

Originally Posted by speeder

Around here, we call someone a douche bag directly by name, (or at least handle). None of this 3rd person/blind item crap.

Man card revocation pending.

Originally Posted by speeder

I completely understand, (and respect), this rationale. I have been sucker-punched as well and have a life-long scar above my eye to show for it. My only comment or difference would be that to an experienced fighter such as yourself, a true sucker-punch must come out of left field. Once someone is face-to-face with me and showing aggression, a sucker-punch is no longer possible. Unless they are Bruce Lee, they have to load-up. Unless it's Uma Thurman delivering the 5-step/5-fingers of death, there is plenty enough warning for me.

One key point is to never let someone get into the strike zone when having a verbal confrontation. I don't care if you are Sugar Ray Leonard, you cannot sucker-punch me from across the room. Shaun actually moved himself into this guy's strike zone and put himself into an indefensible situation once they were eyeball-to-eyeball. I'm sure that the other guy closed the final gap that allowed the head-push but at that point you have lost all field of vision and will not see the *sucker-knee* to the groin or uppercut to the chin that leads to a very painful nap when someone breaks your bones while you are unconscious. Very stupid and usually done by someone with zero fighting experience or ability. When someone jumps into my face during a verbal confrontation, if they are lucky they will get a hard push-off or a biotch slap. If they're lucky. If I take their threat more seriously, it will be an uppercut or a forearm to the mouth. The key is to avoid/prevent that situation in the first place and it's almost always avoidable.

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by 911Rob

fwiw fint, without any intent to tick off anyone here, I read your post a few pages back and agreed with it too.
Cheers bro

Coming from da hood (ha ha) you understand quickly that there are the do's and don'ts when it comes to hammer time; in fact, I'd have had my butt kicked many more times if the odds were more in favour of the do's; but fact is, most are don'ts; they call it the Pareto Principle Denis spelled it out in his posts, when it's go time, you go.

Cheers! Yep. I was just trying to pass along a little experience gained in the school of hard knocks. Personally, I avoid that school whenever possible these days.

It is pretty easy to get into an brawl when the other guy does not have much to lose...and when a woman is involved; just don't give the fellow an excuse. Sometimes substantial size, extreme confidence, or a tough appearance will bail you out of the situation. However, if you are not too big...and a little mouthy, you have to be ready to cash the check your mouth just wrote. Unfortunately, I have been on both sides of that equation and have made the same mistake a few too many times as well. Fortunately, it sounds like the fellow Shawn crossed is just a loser without any real skills in handling himself (hence the weak head butt), and not likely to just be waiting his time to catch Shawn alone and do some damage (as I would have been under similar circumstances)...although keying his car, etc might be more likely for Shawn's nemisis.

Don't mess with someone's way of making a living, his family, or his girl...and you can usually walk away...if you break that rule, expect that at least one of you will have to be carried away...and plan accordingly. Too many guys get used to talking tough on the interent where it is safe...and begin to deal with folks in person the same way and find that the outcome is often much different.

If you are spending a great deal of time with someone else's woman (even if it is purely platonic...work, etc)...just assume the worst and be very careful about what you say and how you act. Even if it doesn't get you into a brawl...you might well be getting the poor woman slapped around at home. If you must play the big shot badass to impress her and inflate your own ego...do so when her significant other is not around.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by DARISC

You must understand - sad and pathetic, but so obvious to the casual observer, this message board is the poor man's life. Consider that he defines himself, in his own mind, here and take what he posts with a grain of salt.

+1 With over 17,000 posts you have to wonder when he has time to leave the board and go out in the real world and be the manly man he claims to be.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by 911Rob

fwiw fint, without any intent to tick off anyone here, I read your post a few pages back and agreed with it too.
Cheers bro

Coming from da hood (ha ha) you understand quickly that there are the do's and don'ts when it comes to hammer time; in fact, I'd have had my butt kicked many more times if the odds were more in favour of the do's; but fact is, most are don'ts; they call it the Pareto Principle Denis spelled it out in his posts, when it's go time, you go.

Why Rob? Fint had to manufacture an entire scenario that wasn't true to make a point. Basically, he lied.

I have 3000 square feet of space. He and I were in the back screen production space. She was in the front finishing space with 3 walls and 60 feet as the crow flies between us. He made sure to follow me back there because he's a coward.

We all like Tom Clancy, but in this situation, let's leave out the manufactured drama and lies and just stick to the facts. It really worked for me. I escorted him out of the building firmly, politely and with resolve. He made one last stand. He failed. Because I am here today with no drama, I did the right thing. That is indisputable. Everything else is BBS self-puffery at the expense of the truth.

here's the net-net. I asked for advice on whether I should call the police or not. excellent advice given. how I handled the situation at the time was never in question.

It's Monday, time to make money.

[alf]

Shaun, you absolutely did the right thing and reflects your courage and wisdom.

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by 911Rob

Ouch!
I had this happen to me in a fight once too; Lethbridge, AB in 1983. After a couple bottles of aspirin and a few days of headaches I went to the hospital. They cut me at my ear, under my eye in the eye lid and in my upper gums to fasten a disolving cast to my cheek bone. I lost all the feeling in my face for about a year, and some of the feeling for about 2 years and still cant feel parts of my face to this date.

the tough little bustard that threw his feet into my face went to jail for armed robbery two days later, so I never saw him again.

Kinda funny though, I think I enjoyed it?

I just let mine heal on it's own. I never went to the ER.

Mine is ok, but i get some clicking when i chew sometimes.

PS: I won that fight.

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

+1 With over 17,000 posts you have to wonder when he has time to leave the board and go out in the real world and be the manly man he claims to be.

Let me explain something amigo: I'm a lightning fast typist. I can easily pound out a post in under a minute flat (or about 15 secs for one like this). So while you're sitting there picking and punching to make one post, i'm already hitting send on post #3.

M'kay?

Edited - personal attack removed. -Z-man.

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

If it prints at 300 dpi it prints at twice the resolution of a magazine. Most mags use a 130 line screen, good ones use 150 lines, REALLY good ones print at 175.

Line screen and DPI are not the same thing.

Line screen does dictate minimum DPI.

Rule of tumb is DPI ='s 2.5x's line screen.

[DARISC]

Originally Posted by m21sniper

Let me explain something amigo: I'm a lightning fast typist...

I doubt that you're a lightening fast anything...scratch that; you slithered back under your rock pretty quickly after I called you on your bald faced lie that I bragged about killing people in Viet Nam.

Originally Posted by m21sniper

...Hey new guy...

"Hey new guy" HAHAHA! So you think your provenance of beaucoup bufoonist posts on this board makes you somehow special? Yeah, right.

Originally Posted by m21sniper

...the natives get pissy when you quote someone whose on a lot of ignore lists...

And you picture yourself as "the natives" spokesperson (person, as opposed to man - spokesbaldfacedliar fits better)? So who are these "pissy natives" to whom you refer? Are you privy to who's on who's ignore lists? Wow! What power and recognition your bilious posts have bought you! I doubt it (privy and bile do fit your posts though ).

How odd that you equate agreement on a fact with identification with a person in such a simple minded way.

So what's it feel like to be caught and exposed as a bald faced liar Snippy?

Are you going to be a man and admit to it? Or are you just going to slither back under your rock?

Edited - meh - I give up. STOP FIGHTING BOYS! -Z-man.

[DARISC]

Originally Posted by alf

Shaun, you absolutely did the right thing and reflects your courage and wisdom.

Yes he did. And, in terms of the man, I'll add bright and decent to your courage and wisdom.

[Dueller]

Would somebody lock this thread? Before ODDJOBUNO comes in here and opens up a can of restraining orders?

[dtw]

Wow, I hadn't realized Shaun had bought my friendship with all the shirts he's sent along for my daughter.

I bought a friend a nice lunch Saturday afternoon. Did I buy his friendship?

Suddenly I feel so dirty.

[Pazuzu]

Originally Posted by dtw

Wow, I hadn't realized Shaun had bought my friendship with all the shirts he's sent along for my daughter.

I bought a friend a nice lunch Saturday afternoon. Did I buy his friendship?

Suddenly I feel so dirty.

The proper way to deal with a friend is to beat them senseless. It's how real men deal with everyday things.

[DARISC]

Originally Posted by Pazuzu

The proper way to deal with a friend is to beat them senseless. It's how real men deal with everyday things.

Why yes! Yes it is!

I've been in over 100 fist fights, no one has ever sued me or called the cops.

I'll silk screen my 2 color dragon on your ******* commie jaw with such lightening speed you'll never know what inked you!

But of course there won't be a smooth gradation of the colors - NO ONE can do that!

Wait...that wasn't me (that would be a bald faced lie).

[911Rob]

tongue in cheek guys; lighten up man, it's the internet

Have fun, be happy. Life is too short.

We're all being challenged to be the same, but in actuality we're designed to be all different; so accept the differences with appreciation. Just keep checking out the guy in the mirror, that's what really counts imo.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

Line screen and DPI are not the same thing.

Line screen does dictate minimum DPI.

Rule of tumb is DPI ='s 2.5x's line screen.

True, the terms describe similar, though not identical concepts, but they are completely separate. To say "DPI ='s 2.5x's line screen" makes no sense.