New S&W 380

[jyl]

Think I found my next gun. Integrated laser 380 from S&W.



Looks to be 0.07" thinner and 1.6 oz heavier than the Ruger LCP w/ CTC laser.

I just like the looks - there, I admit it.

[jyl]

In pink of course. With pink bullets.

[Normy]

If I pump my Crossman 760 air rifle up about 20 times...I suspect I could equal the muzzle energy of your 380~

-My dad told me "NEVER, ever shoot a racoon with a .22. That just pisses him off, and you don't want to piss him off since the average raccoon can quickly kill dead a dog twice its weight."

FIND a better gun!

N!

[peppy]

Normy, a .22 is what you hunt a racoon with.

[Normy]

I'm serious- get rid of that gun. It will only get you shot!

If someone attacks you, you might want to pull that .380 out on them. What you are forgetting is that the person you pull on might pull a .40 S&W from under their shirt, and then they might use it on you. A .380 can kill, but most of the time it doesn't. My .40 S&W means that who ever is at the wrong end of the gun is going to do one thing: DIE.

My gun only comes out when I clean it. But I won't hesitate to use it-

N!

[Tim Hancock]

I have shot plenty of coons dead with a .22 and I have been shot with a Crossman 760 a couple of times.... hurt like hell, but no permanent damage. I would not want to be shot with either a .380 or even a .22.

[BeyGon]

Nobody ever really knows what they will do until it is over.

[daepp]

I love the .380 ACP. Is that what it is?

[Gogar]

I agree with Normy. I got shot 7 times with a .380 once, and it just pissed me off. Only thing that saved the other guy was when the laser hit me in the eye, and I had a siezure.

[rouxroux]

Crossman 760 @ max is 600fps.

[lendaddy]

Originally Posted by Normy

I'm serious- get rid of that gun. It will only get you shot!

If someone attacks you, you might want to pull that .380 out on them. What you are forgetting is that the person you pull on might pull a .40 S&W from under their shirt, and then they might use it on you. A .380 can kill, but most of the time it doesn't. My .40 S&W means that who ever is at the wrong end of the gun is going to do one thing: DIE.

My gun only comes out when I clean it. But I won't hesitate to use it-

N!

I can taste your stupid from here.

[ZLP]

.380 is an awesome round for a compact pistol and with the right ammo can easily match a 9mm.

[stomachmonkey]

Well he is technically correct.

Could have expressed himself differently but.....

Have been looking at compact carry spoons. Currently leaning G26 or 27. Walther .380 looked interesting but Hatcher value of the round is low.

If the rating of your handgun cartridge is under 30, it only has about a 30% chance of producing a one shot stop. Hatcher Ratings of 30 to 49 raise a one shot stop to approximately a 50% chance. Ratings of 50 or higher produce a one shot stop about 90% of the time.

Hatcher's Theory Of Relative Stopping Power

[lendaddy]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

Well he is technically correct.

Could have expressed himself differently but.....

99% of the effectiveness of a handgun is it's existence. I would venture that almost never has anyone ever decided their fight/flight response based on the caliber barrel in their face.

"I see you are sporting a mere .38, normally I would run but since I have a .45 in my waistband I will challenge you openly." Please......

[on2wheels52]

".380 is an awesome round for a compact pistol and with the right ammo can easily match a 9mm."

Sorry, ballistics don't work that way. All things being equal (?) a 9 is better.

Normy, you need to fly in for a long talk about firearms at the gun shop.

Gogar may be an aka of someone who already hangs out there.

As they say, a .22 in your pocket is better than a .44 you leave at home.
Jim

[mossguy]

Originally Posted by lendaddy

"I see you are sporting a mere .38, normally I would run but since I have a .45 in my waistband I will challenge you openly." Please......

That is Very Good!

Best,
Tom

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by lendaddy

99% of the effectiveness of a handgun is it's existence. I would venture that almost never has anyone ever decided their fight/flight response based on the caliber barrel in their face.

"I see you are sporting a mere .38, normally I would run but since I have a .45 in my waistband I will challenge you openly." Please......

LOL, I actually have or had the same opinion.

Was discussing that very point of view with my neighbor last week, the one on W's detail, he's also former Baltimore PD. Was getting his opinion on the G26 which is a 9mm round. He said not enough stopping power. I responded isn't it enough that it makes a big noise? Won't that scare off most people? He said no, not really.

His point of view was, never pull your gun unless you are going to shoot the person.
When you pull your gun you shoot the person.
When you shoot the person you want to shoot them once and have them drop.

[BGCarrera32]

Why not just go with a Walther PPS in .40?

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by on2wheels52

".....Sorry, ballistics don't work that way. All things being equal (?) a 9 is better....

A .380 is basically a short 9mm as I understand it.

But with shorter brass the load is smaller so less velocity and less energy?

[lendaddy]

I'm not arguing the .38 is a lesser round, certainly it is. My point is who cares? In the exceedingly improbable event that anyone finds themselves in an armed standoff, pistol to pistol.......the odds of caliber deciding the one left standing are laughably infinitesimal.