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masraum 04-27-2010 10:41 AM

Or, this whole thing could have been setup by Apple as a publicity stunt right around the time that their earnings were reported.

island911 04-27-2010 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by stomachmonkey (Post 5319664)
Does not work if the phone is turned off which I assume it was....

If the proto was sooooooo freaking valuable, as Apple contends; then one would think that a low-jack of some sort would be implemented on every proto out for testing.

I know that Apple has it's usual 'leak' outlets, but this is giving them even more hype, just a few weeks before it's 'official' wink-wink launch.

stomachmonkey 04-27-2010 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by island911 (Post 5319667)
My thought exactly.

You too.

enzo1 04-27-2010 10:45 AM

if he did pocket it in my place he would be fired, on the spot..... I return phones all the time, if you don't it gets around that your place hires thieves, besides if it gets remote wiped its unuseable... that includes busboys and waitresses... don't like thieves, personally

stomachmonkey 04-27-2010 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by masraum (Post 5319675)
Or, this whole thing could have been setup by Apple as a publicity stunt right around the time that their earnings were reported.

Wrong.

It defies every aspect of Apples marketing model and product life strategy. A model/strategy that they have invested a decade or more and millions if not billions of dollars to craft.

One that is the envy of nearly every other consumer products manufacturer out there.

This leak will not make them money, it will cost them money, money in lost sales of currently available iPhones. If the new model were a year out instead of 2 months it would not have an impact. This close to release will have potential consumers sit it out.

enzo1 04-27-2010 10:48 AM

so you guys think Apple purposely lost this phone for the publicity..... HAHAHAHA, now Mr Softy, yea, but nobody cares

m21sniper 04-27-2010 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by island911 (Post 5319667)
My thought exactly.

Clearly you have met some of the same bartenders i have. ;)

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Originally Posted by stomachmonkey (Post 5319674)
You need some exposure to a higher class of people.

You need some exposure to reality among we, the unwashed masses.

Some of the things some of you say here, and the attitudes you have, are like something straight out of a fairy tale.

It just goes to show how utterly disconnected the rich and the poor(or even the middle class) are from each other.

stomachmonkey 04-27-2010 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by m21sniper (Post 5319698)
Clearly you have met some of the same bartenders i have. ;)


You need some exposure to reality among we, the unwashed masses.

Some of the things some of you say here, and the attitudes you have, are like something straight out of a fairy tale.

It just goes to show how utterly disconnected the rich and the poor(or even the middle class) are from each other.

I have found the poor no less honorable than the wealthy or vice versa.

It's pretty well established that you shall find what you seek.

Seek out something better. It's out there.

m21sniper 04-27-2010 10:57 AM

I spend all my seeking time looking for better chicks. ;)

Round my parts you'd be lucky if they didn't jack you at gunpoint for your iphone, let alone return it to you if you lost it.

And then there is the saying, "No good deed goes unpunished," which is a near universal truism in my experience. Almost every time i've gone out of my way to do something nice for a stranger i've regretted it.

I no longer bother to try unless someone is being physically harmed and i can stop it, which i did (again) Saturday night.

So, i won't return your phone if you lose it- but then again i probably wouldn't even pick it up to begin with, such is my level of apathy.

However if i saw you getting beat up and mugged by 4 punks, i would help.

Sorry, that's the best i can offer. ;)

Neilk 04-27-2010 11:02 AM

The person who found the phone, if they really wanted to, could have called Apple, asked to be transferred to Steve Jobs office. Of course they wouldn't be transferred to his secretary, but saying that they had the "lost" G4 iPhone and leaving the last 5 digits of the serial number would have gotten a really quick call back. It's disingenuous for anyone to say they tried to return it to Apple.

enzo1 04-27-2010 11:03 AM

Apple should sue Gizmodo over stolen iPhone prototype
By Joe Wilcox | Published April 19, 2010, 11:05 PM
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Gizmodo was wrong to acquire a lost iPhone prototype -- quite likely a nearly finished version 4 design -- let alone pay to obtain it. Perhaps this marks the distinction between bloggers and journalists. I would have contacted Apple about returning a device so obviously stolen. There is grave difference between obtaining secret information for the public good and what Gizmodo did: Obtain property containing trade secrets belonging to a public company. Gizmodo has violated the public trust and broken the law. Free speech isn't a right to pay freely for something clearly stolen.
I typically reserve this kind of treatise on journalistic ethics for my Oddly Together blog, where in late March I posted "The Difference Between Blogging and Journalism." Betanews founder Nate Mook asked me to write something here about the journalistic and legalistic ethicacy of Gizmodo's actions. I simply couldn't refuse.

Earlier today, long-time Mac journalist Jim Dalrymple and I discussed the story. I asserted then, as I will here, that Gizmodo broke the law by obtaining stolen property and, related, by paying for an unreleased Apple product that disclosed trade secrets. The latter violates good journalistic practice, at the least.
Gadget geeks' desire to know doesn't supplant a company's right to protect millions of dollars invested in developing a product or preventing millions of dollars lost by the leakage of product designs or plans to competitors. Gizmodo did more than cross the line here. The blog lept a chasm no less wide than the Grand Canyon. The legal ramifications could, and quite probably should, be as deep.
The flow of events isn't complicated to follow:
1. On March 18, someone left in a bar what later appeared to be a next-gen iPhone prototype or near-finished device.
2. Someone else stole the device. Stolen is appropriate description because the device had been left in a public place -- presumably by accident -- and clearly belonged to someone else.
3. Gizmodo obtained the stolen smartphone by paying cash for it; Gizmodo's Jason Chen got access to the device around seven days before posting information about it.
4. Today, Gizmodo posted pics and videos and offered some device teardown that reveals to competitors much about Apple's plans for the next-gen iPhone.
5. The phone's seller sought to profit from the sale of the stolen property, while Gizmodo sought to profit from the pageviews that photos, videos and blog posts would generate.
[Editor's Note: This post presumes that the iPhone prototype is the real thing and not a fake.]
A Clear Case of Theft
There are two primary questions regarding Gizmodo's actions. Did it break the law and did it violate good journalistic prudence -- assuming anyone would apply ethics to a new media blog. Let's start with the trade secrets.
California's "Uniform Trade Secrets Act" is unambiguous, partly defining "trade secret" as "information, including a formula, pattern, compilation, program, device, method, technique, or process." The Act uses several definitions of "misappropriation," of a trade secret with one being: "Acquisition of a trade secret of another by a person who knows or has reason to know that the trade secret was acquired by improper means."
An unreleased phone accidentally left in a bar and sold to Gizmodo surely qualifies as acquisition "by improper means." Proper means would be purchase of the device from Apple, following its public release. What about theft? According to Section 485 of the California Penal Code:
One who finds lost property under circumstances which give him knowledge of or means of inquiry as to the true owner, and who appropriates such property to his own use, or to the use of another person not entitled thereto, without first making reasonable and just efforts to find the owner and to restore the property to him, is guilty of theft.
There's nothing unambiguous about that. According to Gizmodo, Apple software engineer Gray Powell accidentally left the iPhone on a bar stool. The person later obtaining the device sat next him. By my reading of the law, the finder is guilty of theft and likely so is Gizmodo by paying for the Apple smartphone. Estimates range between $5,000-$10,000, but who knows?
Yellow Blogging
Gizmodo is part of the Gawker family of, arguably quite successful, Weblogs. On his twitter page, Gawker publisher Nick Denton's bio reads: "Gossip merchant," which says much about the news philosophy behind Gizmodo and other Gawker properties. In a Denton memo to employees last week, he wrote: "The staples of old yellow journalism are the staples of the new yellow journalism: sex; crime; and, even better, sex crime. Remember how Pulitzer got his start: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism." I call its reincarnation "yellow blogging," as gossip and rumor blogsites ruthlessly compete for pageviews -- such as the well-publicized competition between Engadget and Gizmodo.
In the memo, Denton outlined eight attributes that drive pageviews: "Scandal sells"; "the pseudo exclusive"; "drama"; "visuals"; "explainers"; "don't rubbish the headline"; "parody"; and "inside baseball." So far, the stolen iPhone story has seven -- eight, if I missed parody somewhere. Gizmodo has carefully unfolded the story, like today's "How Apple Lost the Next iPhone," over several posts, with supporting pics and videos. Clearly the goal is to maximize pageviews, which have topped 3 million perhaps on their way to 5 million or more.
In many ways, this post isn't easy for me to write. I highly respect Denton for his success managing Gawker through the economic downturn and bringing back some of the drive to break stories. But there's breaking news and breaking the law. It's not like Gizmodo turned up a whistleblower revealing that iPhone causes brain cancer or that Apple uses 8 year-old boys on the manufacturing line. It's the difference between what does and does not qualify as free speech or the free press.
According to the California Uniform Trade Secrets Act:
Nothing in this section shall be construed to limit, restrict, or otherwise impair, the capacity of persons employed by public entities to report improper government activity, as defined in Section 10542 of the Government Code, or the capacity of private persons to report improper activities of a private business.
Nowhere does the Act say that journalists may "misappropriate" trade secrets for personal or company gain.
An Ethics Lesson
Tech pundit Andy Ihnatko put the right ethical and legal response in the right perspective in a blog post earlier today:
I would have thought very hard and then gone with my first impulse: return the phone to Apple. If it's been stolen, then Apple is the victim of a crime and the ethical answer is to side with the victim...If I was told that this phone had been found in a bar, I would have assumed that it had been stolen from Apple. Same result. And if the 'finder' wanted some sort of fee for this device, then I would have brought law enforcement into the discussion.
That kind of situation is so shady that no journalist with an ounce of sense would come anywhere near it. Even if you could get past the professional ethical dilemma and your ethical dilemma as a human being -- look, smart people aren't confused about how to react when someone tries to hand them a knife wrapped in a torn and bloody UPS uniform and asks them to hide it for a couple of weeks. I don't mind these problems that you have to discuss with your editor. But I try to avoid the sort of problems that result in a conversation with a criminal defense attorney.
I wholeheartedly agree. But I fall on my ethics as a Roman might fall on his sword. I'm a lowly freelance journalist. Yellow blogging is where the money is. That said, justice may come in the form of Apple's retribution. Today at TechCrunch, MG Siegler appropriately stated Gizmodo's legal situation:
It may be the most high-profile hardware leak of all time from any company. If there has ever been anything that will draw the wrath of Apple's legal team, this would seem to be it. And yet, if Gizmodo (or its parent, Gawker) have gotten a take-down notice, they haven't let it be known yet. It's possible, and likely even probable, that Apple is taking this as something worthy of action much more serious than the fairly common takedown notices the company sends from time to time.
Apple may have plenty of legal recourse. According to section 3426.3 of the California Uniform Trade Secrets Act:
A complainant may recover damages for the actual loss caused by misappropriation. A complainant also may recover for the unjust enrichment caused by misappropriation that is not taken into account in computing damages for actual loss.
Apple has sued over stolen trade secrets before, such as one lawsuit in 2004 against an "unknown individual" for leaks related to the Power Mac G4 Cube. In 2005, Apple sued several bloggers over release of trade secrets. The resulting settlement led to rumor site ThinkSecret's closure. Surely, Apple would and should take action against the "most high-profile hardware leak of all time from any company."
Denton is a new media mogul and cult personality in his own right. Steve Jobs and Apple may find Denton and Gawker to be formidable opponents. Perhaps that's the win-win Denton sees. He gains scads of pageviews from the iPhone leak, while with a lawsuit opportunity to publish an ongoing blow-by-blow account about the Apple legal skirmish. If there was ever going to be a truly public Apple legal battle, Gawker would be it. Who says blogging doesn't pay?

cstreit 04-27-2010 11:33 AM

Selling of stolen goods?

The guy left it in a bar and someone picked it up. Unethical yes, Felony? Hm......

island911 04-27-2010 11:53 AM

If the Gizmo guys were evil they would have sold it to HTC or Google. ....actually, wait. ....That would have been ripping-off HTC or Google, as the new iPhone had no notable tech of value to HTC. ...and styling like a HP Slate.

island911 04-27-2010 11:58 AM

Seriously . . .what was leaked there? Besides a big ho-hum?

Schumi 04-27-2010 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by island911 (Post 5319854)
If the Gizmo guys were evil they would have sold it to HTC or Google. ....actually, wait. ....That would have been ripping-off HTC or Google, as the new iPhone had no notable tech of value to HTC. ...and styling like a HP Slate.

They may just have well of..

they took the thing apart and posted every detail about it on their website.


Gizmodo seems to be in the wrong a bit here. They knowingly purchased what could be defined as 'stolen property'. The way Gizmodo is trying to spin it just seems sleazy and wrong to me. 'ooooh we're journalists, laws don't apply to us...'

I frakking hate tech bloggers.

Zeke 04-27-2010 12:26 PM

This thread was about blogging being journalism?

My .02 is that police had about as much of a right to bust in and confiscate Chen's computer as they do to get mine because I write this.

legion 04-27-2010 12:48 PM

This makes Apple look horrible IMO.

They could have offered a reward and this problem could have gone away quietly. Instead they decided to use draconian measures. If this was a theft, that might be warranted, but instead this was a drunk engineer who lost his prototype.

They don't come across as embracing a free media when they bully anyone who opposes them.

enzo1 04-27-2010 12:57 PM

Apple looking bad in this situation is like blaming the woman for being raped, Nick Denton is a sleaze bag , not Apple. He was willing to do anything to get his hands on that prototype $$$$..... Snipe.... if you think you've been in worse bars than I have your kidding yourself... this was an upscale bar and the protoype phone was concealed to look like a 3g

legion 04-27-2010 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by enzo1 (Post 5319991)
Apple looking bad in this situation is like blaming the woman for being raped, Nick Denton is a sleaze bag , not Apple

You're right. You are blaming the victim. SmileWavy

This case clearly illustrates that Apple has no problem trampling an individual's rights to preserve its own interests.

enzo1 04-27-2010 01:08 PM

that's insane, so you think Gizmodo is the victim..LOL


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