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enzo1 04-27-2010 09:17 AM

“Are bloggers journalists? I guess we’ll find out,”
 
Computers Seized at Home of Gizmodo Reporter Who Wrote About iPhone, Gawker Media Says
By BRIAN STELTER AND NICK BILTON
Gawker Media said on Monday that computers belonging to one of its editors, Jason Chen, were seized from his home on Friday as part of what appeared to be an investigation into the sale of a next-generation iPhone.

One of Gawker’s blogs, Gizmodo, published articles last week about the future phone after purchasing the device for $5,000 from a person who found it at a bar in California last month.


Gizmodo.com
Gizmodo published articles about a next-generation iPhone that was found at a bar in California last month.
Gawker’s chief operating officer, Gaby Darbyshire, said it expected the immediate return of the computers and servers.

“Under both state and federal law, a search warrant may not be validly issued to confiscate the property of a journalist,” she wrote in a letter to San Mateo County, Calif., authorities on Saturday. “Jason is a journalist who works full time for our company,” she continued, adding that he works from home, his “de facto newsroom.”


“It is abundantly clear under the law that a search warrant to remove these items was invalid. The appropriate method of obtaining such materials would be the issuance of a subpoena,” Ms. Darbyshire continued.

The letter was shared on Monday afternoon by Nick Denton, the founder and president of Gawker Media. “Are bloggers journalists? I guess we’ll find out,” Mr. Denton said in an instant message.

It became apparent last weekend that the authorities in San Mateo County were considering whether to file criminal charges in connection with the sale of the phone, which was returned to Apple by Gizmodo last week.

According to people familiar with the investigation, who would not speak on the record because of the potential legal case, charges would most likely be filed against the person or people who sold the prototype iPhone, and possibly the buyer.

The documents published by Gizmodo indicate that the Web site was clearly girding for a legal fight. Ms. Darbyshire had sent an e-mail message on Friday to Mr. Chen before the police action, outlining the state law regarding warrants for information gathered by journalists.

“In the circumstances, we expect the immediate return of the materials that you confiscated from Mr. Chen,” she wrote.

In his account of the events, published on Gizmodo, Mr. Chen said that when he arrived home around 9:45 p.m. on Friday, the authorities told him they had been there for a “few hours already,” searching the home and cataloging computers and servers.

The warrant published by Gizmodo said the officers had probable cause that Mr. Chen’s home “was used as the means of committing a felony.”

A spokesperson for the San Mateo police said the department was “not allowed to comment.”

masraum 04-27-2010 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by enzo1 (Post 5319513)
The warrant published by Gizmodo said the officers had probable cause that Mr. Chen’s home “was used as the means of committing a felony.”

What felony? He found something and sold it. That's a felony? I guess the fact that he contacted Gizmodo and sold it for $5k means that he knew what it was and should have contacted Apple. Is that where the felony comes from?

I'd say that a blogger for ZDNet or Gizmodo or someplace like that is definitely a journalist. I guess the difference between a 15 year old girl than blogs about her day and a journalist would be if they were paid to write the blog? Interesting.

gprsh924 04-27-2010 09:48 AM

Chen didn't sell it, he was part of the Gizmodo team that purchased the phone.

Here is the breakdown:
Apple engineer gets drunk and leaves his phone in a bar in Redwood City on March 18
Mystery man finds phone, plays with it a little bit and figures out it is something new
Overnight Apple remotely wipes down the phone
Mystery man half-heartedly attempts to return phone to apple
3 weeks later Gizmodo buys phone for $5000
They spend a week investigating it and verifying it is real
April 17 they put it up on the website
the next day Apple requests that it is returned
Gizmodo says they will return it and tells its editor Jason Chen (who is in possession of the phone) to return it, and he does
shortly thereafter, Apple gets a warrant and raids Chen's house

Go to gizmodo for a more detailed account

stomachmonkey 04-27-2010 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by masraum (Post 5319549)
What felony? He found something and sold it. That's a felony? I guess the fact that he contacted Gizmodo and sold it for $5k means that he knew what it was and should have contacted Apple. Is that where the felony comes from?

I'd say that a blogger for ZDNet or Gizmodo or someplace like that is definitely a journalist. I guess the difference between a 15 year old girl than blogs about her day and a journalist would be if they were paid to write the blog? Interesting.

I think the individual that found it did commit a felony.

If I find something in a controlled space like a bar I can reasonably assume that the owner will call there at some point looking for it so I should turn it into the establishments management.

If I find something out on the street but am able to identify it's owner then I should make every effort to return it to them or turn it over to local authorities.

There is little doubt that at some point he/she had a very good idea of what they possessed and that it had significant value.

As soon as they offered it for sale, decided not to turn it over to the owner they effectively stole it.

krystar 04-27-2010 10:07 AM

yea but not being a good semaritan is a long step away from being a felon.

and a bar is an open public establishment. it is certainly not a controlled space. while it is private property, it has no notion of privacy.

m21sniper 04-27-2010 10:16 AM

This is the most retarded story ever.

Apple just went down 10,000 points in my eyes.

enzo1 04-27-2010 10:19 AM

The holes in Gizmodo’s iPhone story
Tue, Apr 20, 2010News
While the full extent of the fallout from Gizmodo’s leaking of the iPhone 4G is yet to be determined, one can’t help but notice some of the glaring holes in Gizmodo’s story regarding how they came to be in possession of said device.
Gizmodo detailed the backstory of the “missing” iPhone yesterday, where they emphasized that the individual in possession of the iPhone made an honest to goodness effort to return it to Apple, especially when he realized it was a prototype.
He reached for a phone and called a lot of Apple numbers and tried to find someone who was at least willing to transfer his call to the right person, but no luck. No one took him seriously and all he got for his troubles was a ticket number.
He thought that eventually the ticket would move up high enough and that he would receive a call back, but his phone never rang. What should he be expected to do then? Walk into an Apple store and give the shiny, new device to a 20-year-old who might just end up selling it on eBay?
This is complete nonsense on so many levels, and Gizmodo must be smoking some serious hippy lettuce if they expect us to buy this tall tale.
First, it’s proper and accepted etiquite that if you find a lost item at a bar, in this case an iPhone, you don’t take it home with you and start calling “a lot of Apple numbers” to see what happens. You return the darned thing to the bar in the hopes that the rightful owner will come back and claim it.
Second, Gizmodo tries to paint the dude who ended up with the device as some sort of noble character who refused to take it back to an Apple Store out of concern that a 20 year old “might just end up selling it on eBay.”
Oh really? This guy was so concerned with the device ending up on eBay that he decided, instead, to send photos of the device to Engadget while at the same time selling the actual device to Gizmodo for thousands of dollars.
Third, if the guy in possession of the iPhone genuinely wanted to return it, why not contact Gray Powell himself? After all, the opened Facebook app signified whose iPhone it actually was.
Fourth, there was no real need for Gizmodo to publish the name of the Apple engineer who lost the iPhone. And yes, we realize that Apple already knew who was responsible, but now the entire world is looking at Gray Powell simply because Gizmodo wanted some extra page views.
And you know what? If Gizmodo is going to publish the kids name, then they should at least have the decency to stand by their decision and not offer smart ass commentary telling Apple that they shouldn’t fire the kid.
He sounded tired and broken. But at least he’s alive, and apparently may still be working at Apple—as he should be. After all, it’s just a ****ing iPhone and mistakes can happen to everyone—Gray Powell, Phil Schiller, you, me, and Steve Jobs.
The only real mistake would be to fire Gray in the name of Apple’s legendary impenetrable security, breached by the power of German beer and one single human error.
Oh spare me.
But it gets worse.
In response to Apple’s legal request to get back the iPhone, Gizmodo editor Brian Lam pleads, “P.S. I hope you take it easy on the kid who lost it. I don’t think he loves anything more than Apple.”
Are you f’n kidding me? If Gizmodo was that concerned with taking it “easy on the kid”, they could have published the same exact story and simply reference him as a 27 year old Apple Software Engineer, and the story would have been just as gripping.
But, alas, it gets even worse!
Last night, Lam penned a post on Gizmodo attempting to explain why they decided to go public with Powell’s identity.
Hey man, I know things seem really tough right now. We had mixed feelings about writing the story of how you lost the prototype, but the story is fascinating. And tragic, which makes it human. And our sin is that we cannot resist a good story. Especially one that is human, and not merely about a gadget—that’s something that rarely comes out of Apple anymore. But hopefully you take these hard times and turn things around. We all make mistakes. Yours was just public. Tomorrow’s another day. We will all be cheering for you.
Talk about smarmy.
And fifth, Gizmodo’s response to Apple’s legal request stated in part: “Happy to have you pick this thing up. Was burning a hole in our pockets. Just so you know, we didn’t know this was stolen when we bought it.”
But curiously, Apple’s legal request made no mention of the iPhone being stolen, which makes Gizmodo’s verbiage all the more suspicious. Especially when you consider that Gizmodo’s parent company, Gawker, has in the past offered a $100,000 bounty for a stolen pre-release iPad.
Sixth, and this has nothing to do with Gizmodo, if Powell was able to wipe his phone remotely via MobileMe, why didn’t he attempt to locate it via MobileMe as well?

m21sniper 04-27-2010 10:20 AM

Finders keepers as far as i'm concerned. If apple is so secretive about their new phone they shouldn't be giving them out to their drunken employees.

Too bad for them.

If i was the judge i'd laugh in their face when who-ever it is that Apple paid off came to get the warrant.

Moses 04-27-2010 10:23 AM

How did we get so far away from the simplicity of right vs. wrong?

He should have returned the phone to Apple. Period. He sold property that didn't belong to him. I hope they kick his ass.

m21sniper 04-27-2010 10:24 AM

I think we deliberately rebelled from it.

enzo1 04-27-2010 10:24 AM

Gray Powell called the bar where he lost his iPhone “constantly”
Tue, Apr 20, 2010News
By now, everyone is familiar with the facts - Apple engineer Gray Powell left the next-gen iPhone he was testing at a bar called the Gourmet Haus Staudt, where he spent the night celebrating his 27th birthday. Later that night, an unknown individual came into possession of the iPhone where he then proceeded to sell it to Gizmodo for a reported 5 grand.
According to Gizmodo’s telling of the story, this individual, upon discovering that he/she was in possession of a iPhone prototype, made a good faith effort to return it to Apple by calling Apple customer support. Curiously, though, this individual never even attempted to call the bar it was left in to see if anyone had called inquiring about its whereabouts.
Which is a shame, because Volcker Staudt, who owns the Gourmet Haus Staudt, recently told Daily Finance that Powell, in the days following its disappearance, “called constantly trying to retrieve it.”
“The guy was pretty hectic about it,” Staudt recalled.
While Gizmodo is trying to cover its ass by asserting that the iPhone seller did everything in their power to return the device to Apple, anyone with half a brain can see through Gizmodo’s BS.
Daily Finance appropriately calls them out:
Put simply, Gawker Media brazenly, publicly flouted the law. It subsidized a crime: the selling of stolen merchandise. Then it published a misleading, whitewashed account of the seller’s actions meant to make it look as though he was not acting with criminal intent. It published this account in order to disguise its own culpability in the matter.
For a variety of reasons, it’s unlikely that Apple is going to initiate legal action against Gawker, but make no mistake about it, Gizmodo couldn’t have cared less if the phone was stolen or if an honest effort was made to return it to Apple. All they cared about were there precious pageviews, which to be honest, is fine, but it’s pathetic and insulting to read Gizmodo editors try and cover up their tracks and play all innocent. Maybe editors like Brian Lam should follow in the steps of Gawker leader Nick Denton and simply own up to the fact that they paid out money in exchange for a device they knew they weren’t supposed to have, and that Apple’s property rights never factored into their equation.

m21sniper 04-27-2010 10:26 AM

Why should the guy that found it call place after place trying to find the owner? He called Apple. That's good enough as far as i'm concerned.

Apple probably transferred his call to India...

stomachmonkey 04-27-2010 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by krystar (Post 5319609)
yea but not being a good semaritan is a long step away from being a felon.

and a bar is an open public establishment. it is certainly not a controlled space. while it is private property, it has no notion of privacy.

Who said anything about privacy and how does that even relate?

It's a controlled space in that there are readily identifiable employees.

Or are you insinuating that random people simply wander in and decide to wait on people, cook food, clean up, deposit the days receipts etc.....?

enzo1 04-27-2010 10:28 AM

Snipe...India..... no, your thinking of Dell, LOL So if you find a phone at a bar, your going to call Apple service to return it instead of giving it to the bartender and saying "found this phone over there, someone lost it" PLEASE, I believe theirs more to the story....

stomachmonkey 04-27-2010 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by m21sniper (Post 5319648)
Why should the guy that found it call place after place trying to find the owner? He called Apple. That's good enough as far as i'm concerned.

Apple probably transferred his call to India...

Protocol dictates he should never have left the bar with it.

He should have handed it over to the management.

Plain and simple end of story.

island911 04-27-2010 10:30 AM

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Curiously, though, this individual never even attempted to call the bar it was left in to see if anyone had called inquiring about its whereabouts.
If only there was some sort of app that would tell Apple where they left their iPhone. :rolleyes: ... are we to conclude that the next iPhone has no GPS?

Funny that Apple is whining about people knowing that it will have a front-facing camera and/or a Facebook app. --Yawn. It's not as if there was some new feature that you couldn't find on existing cell phones.

m21sniper 04-27-2010 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey (Post 5319657)
Protocol dictates he should never have left the bar with it.

He should have handed it over to the management.

Plain and simple end of story.

And then there's the real world....

Where the bartender would have pocketed it.

stomachmonkey 04-27-2010 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by island911 (Post 5319658)
If only there was some sort of app that would tell Apple where they left their iPhone. :rolleyes: ... are we to conclude that the next iPhone has no GPS?

Funny that Apple is whining about people knowing that it will have a front-facing camera and/or a Facebook app. --Yawn. It's not as if there was some new feature that you couldn't find on existing cell phones.

Does not work if the phone is turned off which I assume it was.

Whenever I or my wife misplace our phones we do the same thing that I think just about everybody does and that is to, get ready for this revelation, call it.

Which leads me to believe the finder either turned it off or worse ignored the calls.

island911 04-27-2010 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by m21sniper (Post 5319661)
And then there's the real world....

Where the bartender would have pocketed it.

My thought exactly.

stomachmonkey 04-27-2010 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m21sniper (Post 5319661)
And then there's the real world....

Where the bartender would have pocketed it.

You need some exposure to a higher class of people.


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