Another tasering

Heel n Toe · 05-05-2010, 10:28 AM

I guess he didn't think the LEO would pull the trigger.

Bzzzzt... problem solved.

Rot 911 · 05-05-2010, 10:36 AM

Cool headed cop there. Guy was reaching for a gun and he tasered him instead of using his weapon, which he had in the other hand.

smokintr6 · 05-05-2010, 11:12 AM

Seems like exactly what the tasers were introduced to do!! Hats off to the LEO for a job well done. What the hell was that guy thinking reaching for a gun!!??

flatbutt · 05-05-2010, 12:07 PM

what an idiot! good job by LEO. Thats keeping your cool.

vash · vash's Garage

ok, i gotta ask. does a tazer cause pain? or does it just immobilize the perp, painlessly?

i have been stun gunned. i wouldnt describe it as painful. it just punches you from the inside...hard to explain.

924slover · 05-05-2010, 01:00 PM

never been stun gunned or tazered but if it's even close i was shocked by a high output ignition system i had on one of my old cars and there really wasn't much pain It just felt like someone had kicked me in the ribs and i had lost control of some muscles.

Jeff Higgins · 05-05-2010, 02:26 PM

A missed opportunity. The cop should have used the other gun; it would have saved his community a lot of money and grief.

Now they get to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to prosecute him and lock him up. When he gets out, I'm relatively sure he will pick right back up where he left off, causing ever more loss to his community. Since he has already demonstrated he is more than willing to turn to a firearm in the pursuit of his criminal lifestyle, he may even kill someone when he gets out. Should have shot the lousy SOB.

Moses · 05-05-2010, 02:33 PM

AMAZING restraint by the cop. AMAZING. If he had unloaded his hand gun into him it would have been fine with me. Wow.

Zeke · 05-05-2010, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

A missed opportunity. The cop should have used the other gun; it would have saved his community a lot of money and grief.

Now they get to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to prosecute him and lock him up. When he gets out, I'm relatively sure he will pick right back up where he left off, causing ever more loss to his community. Since he has already demonstrated he is more than willing to turn to a firearm in the pursuit of his criminal lifestyle, he may even kill someone when he gets out. Should have shot the lousy SOB.

I can't say I disagree with that. But, I'm sure the cop feels better instead of offing the guy. That's gotta be brutal psyche wise.

Jeff Higgins · 05-05-2010, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by milt

I can't say I disagree with that. But, I'm sure the cop feels better instead of offing the guy. That's gotta be brutal psyche wise.

I agree completely. It would be less than human to not feel a great deal of remorse over shooting someone under those circumstances. The cop really did do the "right thing".

I guess as I grow older, though, I have become very torn, or conflicted, over the whole crime and punishment thing. There exists an entire class of people living among us that will never contribute to the greater good, with many of them resorting to criminal activity as a way of life. They drain society as a whole with their non-stop, petty thievery and thuggery.

Sometimes we catch them, but most of the time we don't. My cop and former cop friends and family members tell me they think they are doing well if they can catch, prosecute, and jail this class of people for even 10% of the crimes they commit. And, when they do get a conviction, the crook is back out all too soon, right back at it. It's a never ending cycle with some of them. This class of habitual offender places an enormous financial and emotional strain on society.

I think we need to revisit our entire criminal justice system. It is currently structured around the false premise that "everyone can make a mistake", and that "everyone deserves a second chance". Well, how about a third, fourth, fifth, twentieth chance? At some point, it becomes apparent that an individual will just never amount to a law abiding, contributing member of our society. I like the "three strikes" laws, but they don't go far enough, in that they only apply to felony convictions. That, and the rest of us are burdened with housing and feeding them for the rest of their days, to the tune of hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars each. And we get nothing in return.

I guess I don't really know where I'm going with this. The logical end of my line of reasoning is that we simply euthanize them at a certain point, but that would be rather barbaric. Maybe I am simply ruing a lost opportunity, but that really isn't thinking of the poor cop that would have to live with himself afterwards. Hell, I don't know. I just feel something isn't right in all of this.

flatbutt · 05-06-2010, 04:58 AM

I think I hear ya Jeff. IMO a second chance is warranted for those that don't cause physical injury or even mental duress(think threats) but it is hard to know who is going to go further after they get that second chance.

Whatever happened tothe scared straight program?

sc_rufctr · 05-06-2010, 05:35 AM

Very cool headed cop but I'm not sure he did the "right thing".

There is a risk that using less than lethal force may not be fully effective.
What if the taser had missed or malfunctioned? The outcome could have been very different.
And they do miss and malfunction or become prematurely detached .

The way I see it, the guy was going for his gun... That means "all bets are off".
He could see the cop had a gun in his right hand and he still went for it.

It may be hard to deal with it after but the cop would be fully justified in using lethal force in this situation.

jhynesrockmtn · 05-06-2010, 05:46 AM

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At some point, it becomes apparent that an individual will just never amount to a law abiding, contributing member of our society.

Saw an interview with a neighbor of one of the Edgewood Craigslist killers. Described him as essentially a serial petty thief. Not any more. Now he's part of a group of cold blooded killers.

I don't have a solution either but you are right, what we have now does not work. Maybe send those we determine to not be capable of changing off to a secure prison island, give them a few basics, let them all torture each other. New reality show?

jhynesrockmtn · 05-06-2010, 05:51 AM

Just looked at the video again. It looks like the LEO was in a position to use the real gun if the taser didn't take the guy down but gheez, talk about a cool customer. I probably would have shot the guy and then tased him.

Zeke · 05-06-2010, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by jhynesrockmtn

Just looked at the video again. It looks like the LEO was in a position to use the real gun if the taser didn't take the guy down but gheez, talk about a cool customer. I probably would have shot the guy and then tased him.

Just for good measure, huh?

I would like to know how the LEO drew his gun, flipped off the safety, retrieved the taser (do they have a safety too?)and then fired the taser accurately with his left hand. I mean this guy is good.