Stupid looking Spoons

[sc_rufctr]

Just found these... Ok. I get it now...

[sc_rufctr]

Me like!

[m21sniper]

I really like the AR-57 a lot myself. I also really like the Five Seven pistol as well.

They're both quite controversial. Maybe that's why i like them so much...hehe...

[TGTIW]

as I said, it's airsoft. With a metal body kit, and removal of the red barrel tip, most quality airsoft guns are indistinguishable from the real thing.
In fact, in the OP, you can actually read "Manufactured under license from Colt and Cybergun by ICS Taiwan R.O.C"

[legion]

This, on the other hand, is not airsoft:

[MotoSook]

I wouldn't want a 7" AR as my goto spoon, but as I tried to point out it's a range toy for most...and in a pinch I would not toss it aside for a knife in close quarters. Yep it'll be loud as hell and the flash will cover a small room, but that may offer an advantage since the operator would be expecting it. Ever see a badass mofo gang banger coward at the sight and sound of a lowly .22? Something to the psycho edge. Beside I won't stand in front of a 7" AR in a room. Who would?

Anyhow, I tried to stress the longer barrel in my original post and posted some velocity data for comparision. A 10.5" to 12.5" is the range one would want for an AR pistol to rely on.

Ugly? Well, it won't win any beauty contest, nor will some of the more popular weapons out there. Probably the biggest advantage of an AR pistol is the ability to have a barrel less than 16" without a stamp. Of course it is not smaller than some in its lethality range and sure there are alternatives, but the popularity of the AR is it's availability (parts) and simple design leading to a lot of home builds and easy customization.

Its ultimate purpose and use? Dream up all the scenarios you want, but if the SHTF I'll take a 12.5" AR pistol. I'll take a 5.7 pistol too, but since I know there's a lot of .223 and 5.56 ammo to be found out there my chances with an AR pistol are probably better.

In reality...they're all range toys.

[Jeff Higgins]

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by legion

This, on the other hand, is not airsoft:

I wonder what kind of mechanism they have in there to remove the need for a buffer tube entirely.

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by Soukus

I wouldn't want a 7" AR as my goto spoon, but as I tried to point out it's a range toy for most...and in a pinch I would not toss it aside for a knife in close quarters. Yep it'll be loud as hell and the flash will cover a small room, but that may offer an advantage since the operator would be expecting it. Ever see a badass mofo gang banger coward at the sight and sound of a lowly .22? Something to the psycho edge. Beside I won't stand in front of a 7" AR in a room. Who would?

Anyhow, I tried to stress the longer barrel in my original post and posted some velocity data for comparision. A 10.5" to 12.5" is the range one would want for an AR pistol to rely on.

Ugly? Well, it won't win any beauty contest, nor will some of the more popular weapons out there. Probably the biggest advantage of an AR pistol is the ability to have a barrel less than 16" without a stamp. Of course it is not smaller than some in its lethality range and sure there are alternatives, but the popularity of the AR is it's availability (parts) and simple design leading to a lot of home builds and easy customization.

Its ultimate purpose and use? Dream up all the scenarios you want, but if the SHTF I'll take a 12.5" AR pistol. I'll take a 5.7 pistol too, but since I know there's a lot of .223 and 5.56 ammo to be found out there my chances with an AR pistol are probably better.

In reality...they're all range toys.

I dig it.

A 12.5" AR with the right ammo (Mk262) will still give you full fragmentation effect out to about 100 meters or so. A 10.5" will still fragment to about 50+ meters (meaning it's perfectly fine for CQB).

I am actually in agreement with you on the flash and blast of the smaller AR's. That's as liable to scare the living hell out of the BG and make him run as anything else.

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

0 gauge?

[porsche4life]

Originally Posted by m21sniper

I wonder what kind of mechanism they have in there to remove the need for a buffer tube entirely.

A solid wrist mechanism? With no buffer tube that bastard is going to hurt....

[m21sniper]

Maybe it's some kind of piston setup with the recoil spring under the handguards, i don't know.

[Jeff Higgins]

It's a 2 bore muzzle loader. Shoots a 1/2 pound round ball (3500 grains) at about 1500 fps.

[sc_rufctr]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

It's a 2 bore muzzle loader. Shoots a 1/2 pound round ball (3500 grains) at about 1500 fps.

That would mess up your day.

[MotoSook]

It's a different carrier with the spring under the handguard just like you're suggesting.

I can't recall at the moment which manufacturer makes a pistol like that, but there is a guy on ARFCOM who built one himself that looks pretty cool with the charging handle on the left of the handguard.

Personally I think having the buffer tube is good. Without a buffer tube or a very short one, you can't bring it up to you check to sight it. You just point and spray. A laser would be handle on such a thing with no buffer tube to rest your check on.

Movie fact: William Defoe's character in "Clear and Present Danger" carriered ar AR pistol and used it in the scene where they were escaping the BG's compound.

Maybe it's some kind of piston setup with the recoil spring under the handguards, i don't know.

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

It's a 2 bore muzzle loader. Shoots a 1/2 pound round ball (3500 grains) at about 1500 fps.

Ah, a 2 gauge.

Crazy.

Originally Posted by Soukus

Personally I think having the buffer tube is good. Without a buffer tube or a very short one, you can't bring it up to you check to sight it. You just point and spray. A laser would be handle on such a thing with no buffer tube to rest your check on.

Same here.