my brother's police dept. got to see a mexican drug cartel video...

[vash]

OK, i think we need to invade..

they got a video. no information, except the video itself. some guy got be-headed on film. my brother said it was different than the taliban stuff, in which it was filmed. he said the cameraman hand held the camera, and got close. first they slit the guys neck deep. the victim kept heaving through the exposed windpipe. then the guys worked around the neck, hacking and working a notch between the bones until they held the head up. i wish we could fire a missle from a predator drone into their effen living rooms.


FALCON lake in texas is a fantastic bass fishing lake. mexicans are boating across, and robbing fisherman! pirates! i would machine gun them, light their boat on fire, and push it back to the mexico side. what the mexican officials are telling the american cops: since the economy is hitting the crapper over there, everyone is taking up crime. once you pull off some crime operation, they just claim that they belong to some cartel...no one will touch them..everyone is afraid of the cartels.

my bro saw this video 3 days ago. he said he is having bad dreams. something needs to change. the murders barely make a blip on the news radar anymore.

[BGCarrera32]

Yet everyone is irritated with Arizona...go figure.

[BGCarrera32]

Oh yeah, and then we let el presidente of Mexico address the US Congress.

[m21sniper]

This tape brought to you with limited commercial interruptions by:

"The war on (some) drugs" (TM)

[ODDJOB UNO]

yep today is: .38 "J" frame day!


monyana could be 9mm day(multiple delivery systems)

the next could be .45 day(multiple delivery systems)


the next could be .380 day(multiple delivery systems)


the next could be .22 day(multiple delivery systems)


the next could be .25 day


the next could be .32 day


the next could could be .44 mag day



when it turns to long gun day................well lets just say the GLOVES WILL REALLY BE OFF!



yeah i got the e-mail of the severed heads on the roadside shrines,the arms in a tree, the severed leg in a tree blah blah.


fun stuff huh? and we have bean dealing with this crap for years, it just didnt get printed outside the state.


hell the pima county(too-soon-tucson) morque had to expand to hold all the juan does murdered(redrum) and juanette does murdered(redrum) out in the dezert.

[m21sniper]

Oddjob, carrying all those different spoons, does it not strike you that there is a good chance that under pressure you (or anyone) will get confused as to the exact operating principles, switch locations, and manual of arms of the one you happen to be carrying when the spit hits the fan?

I am not at all a fan of a having a wide variety of weapon operating systems in my arsenal.

Both of my pistols: Squeeze grip frame (to cock on P7, to activate laser on LCP), squeeze trigger.

Rifle: One type that i have carried in the field and drilled on for about a gazillion hours.

KISS.

Anyway, i'm just sayin'....

[Jeff Higgins]

I actually have no problem with this as long as they keep it amongst themselves. Hell, I'll even sharpen their knives. Especially if the "victim" is one of their crooked military or police officials.

Just how often are truly innocent civilians, who have nothing at all to do with it, targetted? I suspect not often. The reason I bring that up is that I find myself down there often, and the impression I get from the locals is that the cartels are actually more honest and upright in their treatment of the rural population than the government is. The cartels have won the hearts and minds of the rural population not through fear, but because they treat them better than the government does. The cartels' violence is directed at one another and corrupt government officials, not the average Jose'.

Corruption runs very, very deep. No one trusts the government, who like to play both sides of the street, and one cartel against another on the same side of the street. Those are the guys the cartels most often assassinate, and in the most brutal (and often spectacular) way possible.

And sniper is right - the "War on (Some) Drugs" is largely responsible for all of this. Not that some of them wouldn't find other things to fight over, but at least the United States wouldn't be complicit anymore if we called off this silly, unwinable "war".

[vash]

jeff. the speculation is that the victim was a tourist. i didnt ask about ethnicity. it was difficult to listen to the story, but bro needed it off his chest.

[porsche4life]

The pirates in Tejas won't last long.... Some civilians will take care of that....

[ODDJOB UNO]

Originally Posted by m21sniper

Oddjob, carrying all those different spoons, does it not strike you that there is a good chance that under pressure you (or anyone) will get confused as to the exact operating principles, switch locations, and manual of arms of the one you happen to be carrying when the spit hits the fan?

I am not at all a fan of a having a wide variety of weapon operating systems in my arsenal.

Both of my pistols: Squeeze grip frame (to cock on P7, to activate laser on LCP), squeeze trigger.

Rifle: One type that i have carried in the field for about a gazillion hours.

KISS.

Anyway, i'm just sayin'....

not in the least herr snipe. im old like REAL DAMN OLD like damn near 53! i didnt just fall off da taco truck yesterday. we've bean doing this fer a LONG TIME! and we have shot mucho mucho mucho matches over the years.


its kind of like shoes. ya gots to have different shoes for different activities.



or kind of lak dress fer success. strenuous days of physical labor demand lightweight spoons. other days concealed isnt an issue. some days ccw is uber important. some days i just dont care.



but the real reason(and i have made my spoon choices very very wisely and each and everyjuan has been uberized within an inch of its life and then tested to the magic 200 rd count before ccw carry) is to rotate ammo from mags. this is once a week. i drop all ammo out of mags and get another mag and reload it. i dont place 13 in a 13 rd mag. always 12. giant spring argument here but it werks for me and i dont ever have FTF or FTE problems.


its gonna be 110 here sunday(maybe 111! oh my a mere flesh wound) and getting hotter as the summer grinds on. and with that comes shorts and t-shirts or shorts and golf shirts as attire. this is where the mouse guns come in handy. be it a .45 mouse or a .22 mouse(poquito ittsie bittsie juans) not full size spoons.



but bottom line you get real familiar with each and every delivery system and it makes you act(reload mags) and makes you think daily to how yer gonna carry. so its a constant rotation and i walk up to spoon safe just like i used to walk up to tie rack in the morning and choose which spoon. my holsters(if i use one) are picked carefully also. right now im on the hunt for some 5 rd HKS .38 sppedloaders for this "J" frame. and actually i now own only (2) revolvers. the rest semi-spoons. so rotating mags and giving the springs a rest i feel is impotent(important).


try it for a coupla weeks. match spoon with dress. empty mags, reload another. i generally keep 6-10 mags per spoon for drill in their own lil special cases(yes each and every spoon has its own specialized case with cleaning kit,shop rag, mags,spare parts if deemed impotent) etc. anal huh?


i take each and every spoon when purchased(i dont sell them ever) and obcess over it for months getting all backup parts,cleaning kit. and then go shoot the hell out of it at least 200 times(muy rapido fuego). everything eats federal unless i find a deal on blammo and then we test with that before ccw.

hell we went (3) times this weekend shooting. must have blasted at least a brick and a 1/4 of .22 and about 100 .38's. we do this alot here. and now soon to be wifey is HOOKED hook line and sinker aside from my kids so its a constant excercise around here plinking. the family that shoots together stays together kind of dribble.



snipe be on the lookout for a remington model 7 KS in .308 on yer side of the country. came out of remingtons custom shop. no longer offered at least on their website. none on spoon broker or spoons america either. 18.5 barrel and iron sights. dont want a scope.

[ODDJOB UNO]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

I actually have no problem with this as long as they keep it amongst themselves. Hell, I'll even sharpen their knives. Especially if the "victim" is one of their crooked military or police officials.

Just how often are truly innocent civilians, who have nothing at all to do with it, targetted? I suspect not often. The reason I bring that up is that I find myself down there often, and the impression I get from the locals is that the cartels are actually more honest and upright in their treatment of the rural population than the government is. The cartels have won the hearts and minds of the rural population not through fear, but because they treat them better than the government does. The cartels' violence is directed at one another and corrupt government officials, not the average Jose'.

Corruption runs very, very deep. No one trusts the government, who like to play both sides of the street, and one cartel against another on the same side of the street. Those are the guys the cartels most often assassinate, and in the most brutal (and often spectacular) way possible.

And sniper is right - the "War on (Some) Drugs" is largely responsible for all of this. Not that some of them wouldn't find other things to fight over, but at least the United States wouldn't be complicit anymore if we called off this silly, unwinable "war".

despite calderon changing laws so small amounts(personal use) of coke heroin meth pot etc are now LEGAL in messiko, there is stilll money involved.


now look at justice dept stats. re: meth use. majority of inmates have used or were busted for meth. next cocaine next heroin. once again money involved. legalize it? and then we are awash in coke and meth and heroin violent crime.



a good portion of time and money would be wiped out if pot legalized. bulky,stinky,easy to find, hard to transport. legalize that and then no money involved and then no violence involved with that.



but if you legalize heroin/coke/meth.................man its gonna be real ugly until all the junkies die off or kill themselves. theres no cut and dry answer.



legalize all of it and the bottom falls out of market. if its legalized then assaults/murders(redrum), thefts,burglaries go up. since 99% of heavy drug users dont have a full time job they will have to resort to crime for their money to buy drugs.


hell even the great OJU is at a loss for answer on this juan.

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

And sniper is right - the "War on (Some) Drugs" is largely responsible for all of this. Not that some of them wouldn't find other things to fight over, but at least the United States wouldn't be complicit anymore if we called off this silly, unwinable "war".

Oh baloney. This is the exact reason we have a war on drugs. These guys are the bad guys. They are the ones that have been kept in check by the war on drugs. If we didn't fight them they would have been doing this along our borders years ago.
They are not a result of the war on drugs, they are what we have been fighting all along. These murders are DESPITE the war on drugs, not because of it.
We lost the war obviously, but at least we slowed them down. Legalizing drugs will only make this worse.

How long until this violence crosses the border and gets into our home towns? Too late, it's already here. Thanks in no small part to druggies who want to legalize "some" drugs. If there's any justice they'll be the first ones to get kidnapped or murdered as opposed to those who don't use drugs and make these bad guys rich.

Take for instance, oh I don't know. say California.
The lib morons voted to legalize "medicinal" marijuana.
That resulted in a rise of pot-related crimes and murders.
The truth is out there for those who want to see it.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by vash

jeff. the speculation is that the victim was a tourist. i didnt ask about ethnicity. it was difficult to listen to the story, but bro needed it off his chest.

That would, of course, be inexcusable. It would also be highly unusual; there is nothing for anyone to gain by brutally murdering a tourist. They do this sort of thing to send a message, or for retaliation, or usually for both. I would be very, very surprised if this "tourist" had not crossed them in some way, was not in on the drug trade.

Sammy, you simply couldn't be more wrong.

[GH85Carrera]

I saw an email with clear photos of the drug cartel disposing of a body by feeding it to vultures. One guy had to smash up the skull for the vultures but there was nothing left but blood. The cartel is ruthless and does not care who they have to kill to get what they want.

[Rick Lee]

Just wait until this kind of thing happens in the US. And then just wait until someone in TX or AZ justifiably kills a Mexcan in a defensive shooting and our own DOJ goes after him when the state declines to prosecute. Both will absolutely happen.

[stevepaa]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

Oh baloney. This is the exact reason we have a war on drugs. These guys are the bad guys. They are the ones that have been kept in check by the war on drugs. If we didn't fight them they would have been doing this along our borders years ago.
They are not a result of the war on drugs, they are what we have been fighting all along. These murders are DESPITE the war on drugs, not because of it.
We lost the war obviously, but at least we slowed them down. Legalizing drugs will only make this worse.

How long until this violence crosses the border and gets into our home towns? Too late, it's already here. Thanks in no small part to druggies who want to legalize "some" drugs. If there's any justice they'll be the first ones to get kidnapped or murdered as opposed to those who don't use drugs and make these bad guys rich.

Take for instance, oh I don't know. say California.
The lib morons voted to legalize "medicinal" marijuana.
That resulted in a rise of pot-related crimes and murders.
The truth is out there for those who want to see it.

yes it is.
Crime | Drug War Facts

[stevepaa]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

Take for instance, oh I don't know. say California.
The lib morons voted to legalize "medicinal" marijuana.
That resulted in a rise of pot-related crimes and murders.
The truth is out there for those who want to see it.

yes it is.
Crime | Drug War Facts

[Garp]

Originally Posted by vash

my bro saw this video 3 days ago. he said he is having bad dreams. something needs to change. the murders barely make a blip on the news radar anymore.

What's the added value of (having to) watch(ing) such a scene within the context of a LEO job? Whoever was in charge should think twice about the impact such images can have on folks.

[billwagnon]

I saw an email with clear photos of the drug cartel disposing of a body by feeding it to vultures. One guy had to smash up the skull for the vultures but there was nothing left but blood. The cartel is ruthless and does not care who they have to kill to get what they want.

are you referring to this - ?
sky burial

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

Oh baloney. This is the exact reason we have a war on drugs. These guys are the bad guys.

Your stupid war on drugs created these guys.

Didn't you learn anything from Prohibition?

WTF...