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jwetering 06-23-2010 06:37 AM

Ugh - this is in OT now. Talk about embarrasing.

I'm out.

masraum 06-23-2010 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Z-man (Post 5418937)
+1.

And isn't it a bit pretentious to continue to mis-pronounce a name once you know the correct pronunciation?

What's the point? Why stop with just Porsche? Why stop with just incorrect pronunciation? What about numbers? Like speed limits? I can see it now, "But officer, I just mis-read "Speed Limit - 55" to be "Lowest Speed allowed - 75." That's how I learned it from the beginning, and yeah, people have pointed out that the sign really says "Speed Limit 55" but I will continue to read it as "Lowest Speed Allowed - 75." That's why I was driving 95 in my Porsch.

It will be anarchy, I tell ya... ;)

-Zoltan.

PS: With a name that often is misspelled (don't even start with the mis-pronunciations!) I guess I'm sensitive towards stuff like this.

Honestly, how is it possible to either misspell or mispronounce "Zoltan"?

masraum 06-23-2010 07:17 AM

For all of the Canadians, of course you guys should call it "Porsh". You automatically add "eh" to the end of everything already, so pronouncing it porsh should me that it comes out as "Porsch eh" which should be perfect.

JJ 911SC 06-23-2010 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by masraum (Post 5419004)
... You automatically add "eh" ...

Oui-eh

Z-man 06-23-2010 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by masraum (Post 5419001)
Honestly, how is it possible to either misspell or mispronounce "Zoltan"?

I have seen all of these and more...
Zoltar
Zolton
Zolten
Zultan
Voltar
Voltan
Sulatan
Soltan
Zsoltan
Zolter
Salter

As for pronounciation - it is all over the charts. Most folks start with "Soul-ten.") Technically, my name is spelled, "Zoltán" with an accent on the a. However, the first part of my name has the same weight as the second part, in terms of pronunciation. (Think: Zoul-taaan.) However, when most people see the accent, or I try to explain the pronunciation, they will just stress the second part of the name, making it sound more Italian than anything else. (think Zol-taaan). And most will soften the "Z" into an "S" which is also incorrect. Hungarian is a very peculiar language -- some of it may seem simple, but we Hungarians LOVE to screw with other nations!! :D

What worse is this: when on the phone, and someone is asking for my name, the will ask, "What is your FIRST name, sir?" I will respond, "My first name is Zoltan. Z-O-L-T-A-N." They will reply, "Thank you for your last name -- now, may I have your first name please?" (At this point, I want to reach through the phone and strangle the person on the other end!) Instead, I reply, "I GaVE YOU MY FIRST NAME. You asked for my first name, and I told you my first name is, ZOLTAN. Now, would you like my last name?"

Yeah, I got issues, but my therapist says I'm doing much better ever since I got over my clown phobia... ;)

Geez - I've managed to derail this thread quite well -- apologies to the OP.
-Z-man.

haycait911 06-23-2010 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by masraum (Post 5419004)
For all of the Canadians, of course you guys should call it "Porsh". You automatically add "eh" to the end of everything already, so pronouncing it porsh should me that it comes out as "Porsch eh" which should be perfect.

at least when we say 'water' it has a 'T' in it, not two 'D's' . :D:D:D

Geronimo '74 06-23-2010 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by masraum (Post 5419001)
Honestly, how is it possible to either misspell or mispronounce "Zoltan"?

I have always wondered, is it Zee-man or Zed-man?? :D:D

m21sniper 06-23-2010 11:25 AM

When i first got my 928 i corrected some hot chick that was clearly into me, that i'd just met, on how it was pronounced.

After she told me "Go Fk yourself you pretentious snob," i stopped correcting people.

I could really care less, one way or another.

JJ 911SC 06-23-2010 11:28 AM

Good one...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by m21sniper (Post 5419561)
When i first got my 928 i corrected some hot chick that was clearly into me, that i'd just met, on how it was pronounced.

After she told me "Go Fk yourself you pretentious snob," i stopped correcting people.

I could really care less, one way or another.

So I'm guessing you rode back alone...

Z-man 06-23-2010 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geronimo '74 (Post 5419195)
I have always wondered, is it Zee-man or Zed-man?? :D:D

Depends -
In Canada, it's pronounced, "Zed-man."

In the USA, it's pronounced, "Poopy-head."

:D
-Z

m21sniper 06-23-2010 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ 911SC (Post 5419567)
So I'm guessing you rode back alone...

Correct. No nookie for snipey that night, but i did go home in a Porschaaaaaaah.

porsche4life 06-23-2010 11:36 AM

I'm a product of the south and I pronounce it PorschUH... I also do not change it depending on the company... I try not to correct someone unless it is someone I am close enough to that I can do it in a ribbing manner... I always let them know it doesn't really matter to me.... I have had several people ask me the proper pronunciation... I am sure to explain it to them...


On the snob part..... Well everyone around here has always thought that of me anyways.... Something about the fact that I dress nice and drive nice vehicles...

Damn rednecks....

GH85Carrera 06-23-2010 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Z-man (Post 5419021)
IWhat worse is this: when on the phone, and someone is asking for my name, the will ask, "What is your FIRST name, sir?" I will respond, "My first name is Zoltan. Z-O-L-T-A-N." They will reply, "Thank you for your last name -- now, may I have your first name please?"

-Z-man.

Z-man you should change your last name to John or Bob. :rolleyes:

billybek 06-23-2010 01:48 PM

I just finished watching the Porsche Ultimate Factories (finally caught it on the PVR) and it was amazing that the only a few (German) people in the program pronounced it Porsche with a very soft "uh" at the end. The narrator pronounced it Porsch.
I don't care either way but if I was addressing someone with this surname, I would try to pronounce it properly.

911Rob 06-23-2010 01:50 PM

simple process for me. It's someones name and in my line of bizzyness, names are important. If someone calls it porsh, I dont sweat it, but I dont, fwiw?

scottmandue 06-23-2010 02:10 PM

To simplify things I just call mine Bruce...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1277327420.jpg

speeder 06-23-2010 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billybek (Post 5419874)
I just finished watching the Porsche Ultimate Factories (finally caught it on the PVR) and it was amazing that the only a few (German) people in the program pronounced it Porsche with a very soft "uh" at the end. The narrator pronounced it Porsch.
I don't care either way but if I was addressing someone with this surname, I would try to pronounce it properly.

Exactly. It's a super-soft sound at the end, whether you hear it completely depends on the structure of the sentence.

"Poorsha" is as wrong as "Poorsh". :cool:

maxnine11 06-23-2010 04:45 PM

Denis nailed it !

I find porsh- UGH more annoying than PORSH.

Just open your mouth after the first syllable and the required second (faint) syllable almost comes out on its own.

Hendog 06-23-2010 08:03 PM

I grew up knowing it as Porsh. I've since learned it is a family name. I always try to pronounce someones name correctly, so now I pronounce it "Porsha".

However, this family has lent their name to a product. I knew it as a product before I knew it as a family name. I have come to call it correctly as Porsha because I now know from where the name comes, and with time it has become easier to say it that way; it was a little weird at first. When in the company of others who do not know the source of the name, I'm fine with however they pronounce it. It's fair game I say because it is a product.

Once you lend your name to a product, it's the consumer's option to say it as he/she sees fit. There's no personal introductions or nothing of the sort to guide the person after all. We all mispronounced Hyundai and probably still do.;)

BTW I was born in Saskatoonhttp://forums.pelicanparts.com/suppo...s/beerchug.gif

dagriff 06-23-2010 08:24 PM

I am not German, therefore I don't know how to pronounce German words. So, I guess I could pronounce Porsche "Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious".

I am not French so I pronounce Paris Par-is, not Pari.

I am not Swedish, so I pronounce Gothenburg, Gothe-en-burg, not Jœteˈbɔrj.

What I'm saying is, if it's a foreign word, just do your best.....:).

BTW. Basil is Baz-il, not Bay-zil.
Herb is Her-b, not Erb.

Lever is...... etc, etc.

R K T 06-23-2010 08:41 PM

It's NOT a word..............It's a name!

dagriff 06-23-2010 09:56 PM

Name: David. A French person would call me Dav-eed. I would not correct them.

If an English person called me Dav-eed, I would think they were taking the piss !

There is an urban car legend that says the Colt (Mitsubishi) Starion was meant to be called the Stallion.......

look 171 06-23-2010 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skinnerd (Post 5415769)
It really doesn't have anything to do with being pretentious.
It is the correct way to pronounce someone's name.
Period!

Are you telling me if you met one of the Porsche family in person, that you'd choose to pronounce their name incorrectly?
That's idiotic.....sorry.

It is not OK to pronouce it incorrectly if you ask me.
You just show your ignorance.....that's all.

Become a man, and learn how to pronounce it correctly.
And if you are so insecure that you worry what people will think.....that's your issue I guess.

This thread really pisses me off.

So, when do you start with the millions of names out there. Around here, there are many street names that are in Spanish. Almost everyone pronounce like English. I refuse to pronounce Los Angeles in Spanish. Do you say Honda, or Oonda?

Learn to pronounce all names correctly is almost not possible, so I am thinking you are a long way from manhood. Now I am pissed off too.

speeder 06-23-2010 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera (Post 5418897)
It is much like saying Pue-get for Peugeot .

Now you're talking about my relatives. Easy there...:)

GH85Carrera 06-24-2010 06:32 AM

I remember a neighbor that called his Renault a Renn-alt. I did not know better back then, so that is how I pronounced it for years. Now I watch F-1 and I know how to properly pronounce Renault. I wonder if there is a discussion about it on the Renault boards.

JJ 911SC 06-24-2010 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera (Post 5421112)
... I wonder if there is a discussion about it on the Renault boards.

Probably not...

Renault Cinq... Turbo:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1277386542.jpg

Trackrash 06-24-2010 08:34 AM

O.K. I'll settle this once and for all. According to Wikipedia...

Quote:

Pronunciation of "Porsche"

In English use, Porsche is often pronounced as a single syllable (/ˈpɔrʃ/), without a final /ə/. However, the company's proper pronunciation is /ˈpɔrʃə/ POR-shə[52] ("Porsha"), as German language words do not have silent "e".
Quote:

Pronunciation

* (UK) IPA: /ˈpɔːʃ/, /ˈpɔːʃ.ə/, SAMPA: /"pO:S/, /"pO:S.@/
* (US) IPA: /ˈpɔɹʃ/, /ˈpɔɹʃ.ə/, SAMPA: /"pOr\S/, /"pOr\S.@/
Porsche - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

BlueSkyJaunte 06-24-2010 10:09 AM

Pronounce it like Portia.

GH85Carrera 06-24-2010 10:20 AM

Wikipedia is hardly the definitive answer for anything.

speeder 06-24-2010 06:18 PM

Even when it's cited as a reference more than once in the same thread.

Zeke 06-24-2010 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skinnerd (Post 5415814)
No prob Canuck_Targa.

In reality, I'm not pissed off.
I think the word would be more like bemused and bewildered.

I can understand people mispronouncing a person's name because they honestly just don't know.

What I can't understand is why people would purposely choose to mispronounce a name when they do know how to do it correctly?

Porsche is not only a car company.....it is a German family name.
I don't think it takes much effort to pronounce it correctly in any situation no matter what other people might think.

I guess I just look at it as a matter of respect.
I like to be respectful to people (when they deserve it).
I think it dis-respects the Porsche name (company and family) to not pronounce it correctly.

Sadly this has become such a part of our American society today.
The lack of respect part.

And no.....my last name is not Porsche.
:rolleyes:

I think you take all of this too seriously. The marque has been in the USA since the early 50's and I was old enough to drive in the early 60's. Never heard the pronunciation with the "a" until several years ago. I know I spent enough money getting my "Poorsh" worked on by all kinds that have been around the cars a lot longer than me. Let's see, I've owned whatever you call it one way or another since 1972.

For all of time until you couldn't get them any more in the USA, the car was called a "Renalt." Not renneaux or whatever that one is.

But here ya go: everywhere I go and on TV, etc., people refer to the front entry in a larger home as a "foy-er." Well friend, it's a "foy-ai." Or even more French as this bite sounds:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/Fr-foyer.ogg

I wonder how you say it. :)

Jim Richards 06-24-2010 07:54 PM

well, I'm goin' out back and soak a spell in the cee-ment pond and think about this some.

JJ 911SC 06-25-2010 02:13 AM

Sometime you need an earthquake...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by milt (Post 5422339)
... I think you take all of this too seriously.

+1

We were 50 miles from the epicenter of the quake on Wednesday. It was a "5" (rather small). We stayed in the building because it used to be the US embassy so it had been reinforced.

Anyway to make a long story short, quite a few people realized that it could have been their last day... An "8" would have been 1000 time more powerfully with a lot a causalities (none this time).

For my part, I went home and took Das Babe for a long ride like it could be our last one...

Quake leads to confusion, panic in the streets | Ottawa and Region | News | Ottawa Sun

Drive & enjoy

J.J.

P.S. Even this post is too serious... pass the Valium please

Geronimo '74 06-25-2010 02:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milt (Post 5422339)
But here ya go: everywhere I go and on TV, etc., people refer to the front entry in a larger home as a "foy-er." Well friend, it's a "foy-ai." Or even more French as this bite sounds:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/Fr-foyer.ogg

I wonder how you say it. :)

Fwah-jeh

JJ 911SC 06-25-2010 02:25 AM

This one is my favorite one
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Geronimo '74 (Post 5422756)
Fwah-jeh

Every time I watch an DIY show from the US, I bet along it will take before we hear the famous... Foyerrrrrr :D:D:D

Geronimo '74 06-25-2010 03:02 AM

WRONG! :D

no R at the end of foyer.

JJ 911SC 06-25-2010 04:06 AM

I'm having a Déjà Vu experience :D:D:D Oh oh, 2 accents in the same word, stand by for heavy roll:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1277463941.jpg

JeffO 06-25-2010 09:59 AM

My opinion is that as americans we tend to be less formal in our ways than a lot of other nations. Our Chevrolet becomes chevy, Cadilac becomes caddy, Jeffrey becomes Jeff and so on. How many people will use an abbreviated first name soon after meeting someone for the first time. I think of Porsch as a shortened, familar form of Porsche. Now tell me why Jaguar is pronounced Jaq u are in England when it is from the Portugees word for the big cat. No surname there.

GH85Carrera 06-25-2010 10:11 AM

I guess it is a lot like going to a town and hearing a local resident pronounce the name of the town. In north east Oklahoma is town named Miami Oklahoma. Only it is not pronounced like the big Florida city, it is pronounced Miam-a.

If you ever hear someone say to you that that were born & raised in Mont-gom-or-e, Alabama be suspicious of them. All the locals call it Munt-gum-ry

Does that make it “correct” or is it pretentious to pronounce their city the way the locals do?

Z-man 06-25-2010 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeffO (Post 5423249)
Now tell me why Jaguar is pronounced Jaq u are in England when it is from the Portugees word for the big cat. No surname there.

Those crazy Brits!!!!! :D

-Z


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