Texans toting guns they don't know how to use...

[RPKESQ]

Originally Posted by red-beard

Nope, you need to try again.

Alright. Let's start at the beginning. I responded to this exact quote from masraum on post #9 :"as soon as you start making a right conditional, it is no longer a right".

Do you agree with that completely? You responded to my comment questioning that statement in post #12.

Are you able to name a right that does not have conditions/restrictions placed on it?

And why are age, criminal record or mental competency not conditions/restrictions?

[Pazuzu]

Originally Posted by rattlsnak

But i understand the point of this thread being the loophole issue.

Yup...

Originally Posted by Tim Hancock

Every law abiding American should have the right to protect themselves with a handgun whether they can hit a chest sized target at 3 yds or 75 yards.

That's fine, but do you think that state level permit requirements should be followed based on the state, or the reciprocity? Since, I'm not talking about gun rights, and I made that clear in the very first post. I don't know why people insist on making every gun thread a gun rights thread...

[Rick Lee]

As a practical matter, and not a rights issue, the competency test or range qual are still total jokes. If I had just touched my first gun, bought it, done the class and range qual. that day, then got my permit, I'd still be 100% legal, but far, far from qualified to carry. And before I took my first class in VA, I had been carrying legally in PA for several years and had been shooting handguns since about the age of four. I was way more qualified before that class than any permit process was gonna make me. There are idiots in every group. Some folks can take up shooting as a serious hobby and never stop sucking at it. No law is going to stop those folks from carrying if they want to. Hopefully, they want to stay out of jail and keep their rights as much as the rest of us do. And so they'll behave themselves.

[emcon5]

Did you notice the people complaining about it to the newspaper are "Houston Area Firearms Instructors"?

They are losing money because people are taking the Utah class.

Much ado about nothing.

[targa911S]

same in PA. I have a FL non res. but I needed a PA permit to carry. A strange rule here is that you can open carry without a permit, but if you have CCP you have to conceal.

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by targa911S

A strange rule here is that you can open carry without a permit, but if you have CCP you have to conceal.

Same in AZ, but the CCW requirement goes away in a few weeks.

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by RPKESQ

Alright. Let's start at the beginning. I responded to this exact quote from masraum on post #9 :"as soon as you start making a right conditional, it is no longer a right".

Do you agree with that completely? You responded to my comment questioning that statement in post #12.

Are you able to name a right that does not have conditions/restrictions placed on it?

And why are age, criminal record or mental competency not conditions/restrictions?

Have fun playing your stupid little game, I'm not playing. bye-bye.

[Red Baron]

Originally Posted by red-beard

Have fun playing your stupid little game, I'm not playing. bye-bye.

Good move since he's a complete jack-ass.

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by Pazuzu

Yup...


That's fine, but do you think that state level permit requirements should be followed based on the state, or the reciprocity? Since, I'm not talking about gun rights, and I made that clear in the very first post. I don't know why people insist on making every gun thread a gun rights thread...

I do have an issue with someone using a Utah permit in Texas, but for a different reason. The Utah permit will focus on Utah laws, and test you on Utah laws. Since you are going to carry mostly in your home state, you need to understand those laws best.

Everytime I go to a state, I study the carry laws, as best I can. For example, there is no requirement in Texas for a retaining strap on a holster. In I think it is either Alabama or Georgia, you must have a holster with a retaining strap. You have to know the local law, and getting a Utah permit in Texas isn't going to help you. You will still then need to study and understand the Texas laws.

And I doubt there are that many that would try to save $80. In fact, just try to find a Utah and Florida class in Texas. I did my Utah and Florida permit classes in San Diego. Is there any data on how many might be using a Utah permit instead of a Texas Permit? There are only about 450,000 CHLs in Texas, as it is.

Somehow, I think KHOU is way overblowing this. And I've met Jim Pruitt, and his attitude doesn't surprise me.

[RPKESQ]

Originally Posted by red-beard

Have fun playing your stupid little game, I'm not playing. bye-bye.

It was not nor is a game. But your response is sadly indicative of the lack of reasoning from your initial response. Sorry to have taxed you beyond your capabilities to articulate you position logically.

All rights have conditions and restrictions on them, there are no exceptions. Even for the 2nd Amendment challenged.

As a long time NRA Life Member it is disturbing to see ridiculous statement about "rights" made in a public forum.