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New Mega Hyper Super Car
When will the escalation war end!?
Dagger GT - new American supercar with 2000 hp | Gmotors Ireland 2000HP 0-60 1.5 secs Thoughts?
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07-10-2010, 04:48 PM
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I think all their performance numbers are based on computer analysis.....good luck getting enough traction to achieve them LOL
personally I think its pretty silly, the 4130 chromoly will be strong but heavy, sounds like it'll weigh a few tons.......
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07-10-2010, 05:02 PM
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Cogito Ergo Sum
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I'm skeptical at best...
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07-10-2010, 05:10 PM
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The real question is....will that engine fit in the front of my 944?
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07-10-2010, 05:18 PM
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Well, it might be faster than a Mustang, but it will never keep up with a well set up and well driven 944 through the twisties...
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07-10-2010, 05:34 PM
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07-10-2010, 06:05 PM
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07-10-2010, 06:45 PM
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07-10-2010, 08:10 PM
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He's just sour...
My comment was more on the fact that I don't think this thing will make production... The math just doesn't add up... I'm sure it will be a helluva car if they do make them tho... |
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07-10-2010, 08:33 PM
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Those numbers are estimates at best....
483 km/h..... Yeah right... Claims, promises, predictions..., I'll believe it when I see it. |
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07-10-2010, 11:10 PM
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If it really delivered 2000hp it's top end would, in all practicality, be limitless.
Just 20 years ago that was nitro funny car type power, and they were trapping at 290+ ET's back then. |
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07-10-2010, 11:24 PM
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There are lots of cars out there (most are customs) in the 4-digit range for HP numbers these days. Even a few that are over 2,000. It's just stupid - for practical purposes you can't get anything over about 400 to hook up with street tires and even with R-compounds you're lucky to get anything over about 600-700 to hook up. So you'll have your $400,000 cool-looking car that can't do anything except roast sets of $2,000 tires every lap. What's the point of that?
Cars with that much power require very precise driving skill to be really quick. That's just a pointless amount of power and I don't see how it translates into anything other than straight-line performance (the Bugatti Veyrons of the world) and bragging rights. At those levels of speed it's more about tire degradation and aerodynamics anyway. The attainment of top-end speed by the addition of sheer brute force has reached its practical limit - which is in the mid-200 mph range. It is a pretty cool looking design though. But I question the claims being made. There's more to being able to create a REAL 200+ mph supercar than just force-inducting a big engine, slapping a lightweight CF body on and doing a little wind tunnel testing. Truth be told for that money I'd much rather have a Koneigseig or (several) TVRs. Oh, and FWIW a 944 most certainly can kick the snot out of a Rustang in the twisties. I would love to post the story of how my 951 absolutely walked a brand new Cobra on the TRC New Year's run a few years ago. At the time my 951 was only lightly modded and the suspension was freshened stock - no serious upgrades at all. And I'm a decent (though certainly not "great") driver - so I don't think it was necessarily that either. The guy with the Cobra was plenty mad, and humiliated. He was faster on the straights, but it didn't do him much good.
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It will never be as exotic as a 928, and there is a very long list of failed "super cars" that promised to be the next amazing thing and never made it to fruition. The Dagger has a spot waiting for it on that list.
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07-11-2010, 04:51 AM
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Well, Zora's Cerv II was 0-60 in 2.8 with only 500HP, but hell, that was was 1964.
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07-11-2010, 05:40 AM
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This car looks like what I imagined the proposed mid-engined Vette would look like. The rumor which was passed around with validity the summer before GM failed.
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07-11-2010, 06:09 AM
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Looking at the times for CMC and Spec 944 the last time they were both at Sears Point on the same day, times for the CMC cars were 4 to 5 seconds a lap faster than the 944s. In fact, the last place qualifier in CMC was 4 seconds faster than the spec 944 pole. CMC2, where Paul's car would fit, was about 4 seconds a lap faster. Remember, Sears Point is a technical track, where the higher horsepower of the V8s would not be as big of an advantage. Quote:
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07-11-2010, 06:12 AM
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Here's a pic of the Cerv II...Mid-engined, 4WD, body was designed by Larry Shinoda...Again, 1964.
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 , ecom, roux2 . . . spot on.Why do I imagine PWD laughing his ass off over the idea that God & Ferry did not rest after 1973, but rather waited until after the 944 . . . err. . . 951 . . . err . .slightly modified 951 . . err . . slightly more modified 951, and skilled driver . . .mod'd enough so that it could beat a stock 21st century Stange. . ?
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http://www.autoweek.com/article/20100518/CARNEWS/100519868
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Basic 3D model = easy. Production ready supercar = hard. Betcha this is the last we see of the Dagger.
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