Warning OFF TOPIC subject - question on Tanfoglio guns

Since I have nowhere else to ask I'll ask here. If you're one of the gun haters please leave this thread.

Those of you who like guns please let me know if you have any experience with the italian Tanfoglio handguns.

I'm after the new Tanfoglio Force 22 LR pistol which was introduced recently. Does any of you know if this is a good gun? I want to know if there's anything bad to say about it. I mean guns can have flaws just like new cars for instance. The frame/grip is the exact same as the 9mm models and I like that. Take a look:

http://www.tanfoglio.it/html/force22_longrifle.htm

Any comment is welcome since I'm very close to placing an order. Please notice: I'm NOT interested in 9mm pistols!

[kumma]

I've only heard of tanfolio on tv (usually on law and order episodes) try http://www.shooters.com/ for more info. I prefer a Ruger mkll with bull barrel.

[MRM]

Mikkel, what do you plan on using it for? Since you are looking for a .22, I assume you are going to be using it almost exclusively for target practice at an indoor range. Should be an incredible sidearm for that.

[Early_S_Man]

Mikkel,

I don't think that model has even made it to the USA, yet. I haven't seen anything about it in any of the US magazines. I assume it must have a reasonable price advantage over US products imported to Europe, right?

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Warren Hall
1973 911S Targa

[pwd72s]

The tanfoglio looks like a pistol one would choose as a substitute practice weapon in order to use the cheaper rimfire ammo instead of 9mm, .40 S&W, centerfire ammo which is more expensive. So, you want this, or would better accuracy be your goal? If that's your goal,you might check out the SIG Trailside Target model. It's a little $pendy at $475 or so, but offers incredible accuracy. NRA tested the 6" barrel model. 10 shot groups, 25 yards, pistol mounted in a ransom rest. With CCI green Tag ammo, it grouped 1.50 inches. Impressive? That was the worst test group. Firing Eley Club ammo?
0.27"! (source, American Rifleman...April 2000) If you care to move "up" from this, there is also a Trailside competition model.
Oh..and if you want one? Be prepared to wait....for obvious reasons, this pistol is in high demand.

[Saffs]

Mikke,
I remember last time you started a gun thread. It almost caused a War! Why do it again? As mentioned by Wayne and others, there is an OT Forum, it's here http://www.pelicanparts.com/cgi-bin/ultimate/f orumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&forum=Porsche+Talk&number=25&DaysPrune=45&LastLogin=
Why not just take it there?


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'75 911S Targa
'81 BMW Alpina C1 2.3

[This message has been edited by Saffs (edited 06-09-2001).]

[emcon5]

I agree with pwd72s. It looks like it shares the same parts as the 9mm pistol. This is good if you are a police department and hava a limited ammo budget for training, but need the controls to be in the same place and work the same as a duty weapons.

For 22lr plinking and target shooting, the 9mm sized pistol is much heavier and bulkier than need be, as it is under much less stress. I don't know about their availability in Europe, but you may consider a Ruger Mk2, Browning Buckmark, Smith & Wesson 22A, or something similar.

Of course, none of this matters if it is what you want.

Tom

[pwd72s]

Tom, I sure agree with you. I considered ordering the SIG...but decided not to. You see, I have one of the old "made in Belgium" Browning .22 "Challenger" pistols. Just love it. Funny how things I bought back in the early 70's are now considered collectables, and I just keep on enjoying the use of them. But if I want a pistol that feels like a 9mm? Then I bring out my other made in Belgium Browning...aka/high power. They may have been made decades ago, but both still group well. Your other handgun suggestions were good ones. If you want accuracy in a .22 pistol, do not buy a practice gun...buy an accurate .22 pistol instead. Here's a link on the SIG Trailsides:
http://www.sigarms.com/sigarmsweb/trailside_pistols.htm Happy reading, and note the test target supplied by the factory with each pistol...

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Saffs,
I did actually remember something about an off topic forum, but I had problems finding it and thought "what the heck"... Please bear with me

To the rest of you guys.

Thanks for your comments. I am in fact going to use the gun for indoor target shooting and the occasional outdoor contests. The gun is resonably priced compared to other .22s on the market here. It wighs only 0.7 or 0.6 kilos, so it's rather light, which I like. Also I prefer the grip being similar to 9mm pistols. I don't like the typical .22 target pistols with their chunky handles and looong barrels. Also those pistols are rather costly here. Our ackward legislation also helps making the Tanfoglio interesting.

What I was actually after was if there were any quality problems. I too hadn't heard of this brand until recently so naturally I'm curious.

[Shakenbake]

Hi Mikkel, I finished reading all the posts from the earliest (controversial) to your latest posts back in June of 2001. Just curious to see if you got a handgun and what type.

I have never been a gun owner but recently got into target shooting with my son. Before this experience, I viewed gun owners as fanatics or right wingers (hope I got that one right) which I consider ignorance on my part. Since we are a culture of guns, I felt it better to be a part of something my son is interested in and to make sure he is taught properly. We are having a great time learning and improving our accuracy. We purchased a Ruger MkII Competition Target .22 and a Glock 17 9mm.

It is very interesting here in the U.S. with the debate over gun ownership and control. It is as emotional of a topic as there is. We don't expect everyone to understand the culture but weapons (Spears, knives, swords, machetes, etc or some type) are a fact of life in all cultures and it seems that criminals will take advantage of what they believe to be the weaker un-armed members. I have been shocked by the "ordinary" people I have seen at the shooting ranges here. I have found that there are a great deal of people who own handguns that you would never suspect. These are not gun nuts or fanatics, just ordinary folks that believe in the right of personal protection and/or enjoy the competition of shooting. We have a program in some communities where juvenile delinquents are taken to a prison and given the once over about life in prison and all that goes with that culture. I believe they should also be taken to a shooting range to view the ordinary people that they would probably consider victims if they saw them on the streets. I saw the middle aged women driving Mercedes Benz, wearing fine jewlery and stopping by to get in a few rounds at the range. The future would be criminals might think twice about the potential of getting killed by an ordinary citizen if they knew how varied the type of people are that carry weapons here.

Hope your shooting experience goes well and remember the golden rules of firearm safety:

1. Handle all firearms as if they were loaded.

2. Never point the gun at something that you are not willing to destroy.

3. Think of what is behind the target and how far a bullet will travel.

4. All firearms should be stored unloaded and secured in a safe storage away from children and untrained adults

[Doug Zielke]

Mikkel,
I note you're from Denmark.
Are rules restricting the use/ownership of handguns as strict there, as they are in Canada (for instance)?

[RoninLB]

SHAKENBAKE.....kids and guns...before the jerks come on you with some BS I have a true story. The interview was on Nat'l Public Radio in mid January. A female was interviewing Marine Corps General Reinwald about a Boy Scout visit to his base. She was told the Boy Scouts were to be taught about guns. "but your equiping them to be violent killers". The General replied "Well you're equiped to be a prostitute, but you're not one, are you" The radio went silent and the interview ended.

[Leland Pate]

SHAKENBAKE.....kids and guns...before the jerks come on you with some BS I have a true story. The interview was on Nat'l Public Radio in mid January. A female was interviewing Marine Corps General Reinwald about a Boy Scout visit to his base. She was told the Boy Scouts were to be taught about guns. "but your equiping them to be violent killers". The General replied "Well you're equiped to be a prostitute, but you're not one, are you" The radio went silent and the interview ended.

BUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!


Now THATS funny.

Shakenbake

I was surprised the same way you were. At first I thought (as most danes do) that guns were complety banned and non existent here. Then I learned about gun clubs and target shooting. I still remember the first time I walked into the club and saw a guy with a 357Magnum S&W revolver on the table in front of him. It was like an american action movie - I simply couldn't believe that we had such guns in Denmark. In general I pretty much had to be able to swim without ever having been in the water. (Had to find out everything myself)

Today I'm part of that "society" myself and quite like it. You are right that many gun owners are regular people and actually very nice persons. I enjoy being at the gun club and we discuss guns just like we here at pelicanparts discuss Porsches. It's actually quite innocent even though that might seem unlikely to many.

I did get a Tanfoglio .22 pistol and it's ok if you take it for what it is: Cheap and italian I plan on buying a Glock 17 9mm as well.

Doug Zielke
I'm not familiar with canadian gun legislation, but I can tell that I waited 2 years before I could apply for a gun permit (normal). Also concealed carry is illegal here as well as all handguns in .40, .45 .44 Magnum, 10mm, .50 etc. Everything full auto is banned. No laser sights, no silencers and a minumum lenght of 210 mm is required for any handgun. For that reason all our Glock 17s have been fitted with longer barrels too meet legislation demands. (See pic at: http://www.huntershouse.dk/vaaben/Glock/glock_17_dk.htm )

[JEB]

I have always found www.thefiringline.com to be a very informative board. It reminds me alot of Pelican - but with guns. Lots of well informed and interesting characters over there.


Jeb

[Shakenbake]

Mikkel, if available, you should try to get the Ruger MKII Competition. It is a .22 with a 5.5 inch barrel. Very accurate and inexpensive to shoot. Here in the U.S. they will run you around $450-$500. It comes with the barrel pre drilled to & tapped to accept the rails and scope rings which are included with all hardware. All you have to do is add scope or red dot sight.

My son (17 yrs old) & I enjoy it to compete against each other. We shoot the Glock 17 as well but it takes a lot more practice to control, especially at distance.

ceb

[speeder]

I am a Glock owner and like this discussion in itself, but I tell you, if they EVER move anything OT again on this board they are f'n hypocrites. This is about as far form Porsche 911's as you can get.

[Planter91C2]

glad to see we are a helathy group of men. fast cars, guns, beer and...
http://www.sportshooter.com/events/swedishbikinis.htm


pics were too big to attach here.


http://www.sportshooter.com/events/swedishbikinis3.htm

Heh heh I think Wayne has forgotten about this thread since it's very old and has been stored in the dusty archives for so long until recently when it was brought up again.

Still I don't see how this is worse than threads about music, food, holiday experiences, the weather, movies etc. etc. I know of a German Porsche board much like this one. Only difference is that there they are hysterical about off topic threads. Even asking how to post a picture will get the thread locked. Of course that's noticeable when you visit the board. In the words of Homer Simpson...: Booring

[Shakenbake]

Man, I wish we had a tournament that we could have the bikini babes shooting...that was awesome...baby!