Charlie Wenzel

[Stuart993]

Not sure if this has been posted previously, apologies if so.

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[sammyg2]

he's famous:
Charlie Wenzel: A Study in Arrogance and Stupidity

Charlie Wenzel: A Study in Arrogance and Stupidity

It is absolutely amazing what can happen when you are arrogant and stupid and decide to rip people off. While it is easy to do on Ebay and nothing much will happen, when you are so stupid as to do it in a community forum the end result is far from unexpected, although the magnitude is suprising, until you realize all the people who have gotten ripped off from people like Charlie Wenzel. Now all of these people have a name and a face to hang their hatred on. This also serves as a warning to would-be scammers as to what can happen to you. There is another example link at the bottom of this page. While I don't agree with all that has been done, scammers need to understand that they bring it on themselves and that they are the one responsible for all of what happens.

On 02-Oct-2005, Charlie Wenzel decided in advance to rip someone off, this much is clear based on his own statements. He had a set of used gears that he wanted to sell and claimed that they were new. He posted the price at $100 with $15 shipping. He got a person to send him a check, which he cashed, then edited the message and claimed that the price was $125 plus shipping. The last edit of his message was on 01-Nov-2005, but on 26-Oct-2005 he had been caught with the change. If it was an honest mistake, he would not have cashed the check. He would not return the money or send the gears. After a lot of pressure, he sent a package, but the buyer refused the shipment since others found a thread on another forum which showed that the gears were used. Another person recognized his user id as the person who ripped him off and send bricks instead of the correct items. Yet another person knew that Charlie tried to rip off a gas station by getting gas and not paying. This is in addtion to the people he ripped off on Ebay.

While many people claim this is about the $25 that Charlie tried to extort from the buyer, it is not. It is not even about the $115 that the buyer paid. Charlie tries to claim that it is between him and the buyer, but it is not. What is it about? It is about a person who is so arrogant and stupid that he does not know that it is insane to try to rip off a person in a community, he does not know when the jig is up and that he has been caught and have enough sense to shut up. When a person commits a crime, fraud in this case, as well as perhaps attempted extortion, that person harms everyone. The trust between all buyers and sellers are reduced and it makes sales more difficult. Charlie was asked to send a postal money order, but instead sends one from 7-11, which according to their web page can take 30 days or so to really clear, so this will not be ending anytime soon. If Charlie had any sense at all he would have sent funds which are far more certain, like cash, a cashier's check, postal money order, etc. Considering the actions of Charlie, I personally would not be suprised if he reported the money order lost or stolen in order to not pay the money back.

Charlie Wenzel dug himself a hole and this was not just an ordinary hole because on top is an outhouse for all the world to come and visit. He sits at the bottom of this pit yelling, threatening and insulting people, trying to demand that they go away. Then he thinks that he can issue a fake apology with threats and then edit it and hope that will also go away all the while he continues to say stupid things, making threats and harassing people. Charlie has made himself the poster boy for all of the Internet scams and fraud. I personally think that this has reached critical mass and poor Charlie Wenzel is at ground zero. There is no one person which can stop this, but good ol' Charlie thinks that he can try to convince people to call all of this off. Even if the entire thread was removed, I am sure that it would pop up somewhere else.

Charlie is so stupid that he keep harassing Mike and his wife, as if they have control of all the people. I hope they report him to the police since his behaviour is unacceptable. The only way the calls are going to stop is to change the phone number, so he needs to get used to it or get a new number!!!

One post says that they talked about Charlie Wenzel in an ethics class. At least there is some good coming out of this since people are learning from the experience. I am would be willing to bet that this will go on for years since it can be hard to find such a good example to discuss.

As of 13-Nov-2005, 11:22am PST, there have been 585,458 views of the thread. At 1:00pm PST, there have been 1,658 posts and 627,386 views. Since this is a holiday weekend and most of this started just before the weekend and did not really expand until the weekend, it is clear that it is going to go a lot further. This number is just the people who came to the pirate4x4 web site and does include all the other people who have heard about this.

[sammyg2]

LOL, Urban dictionary.com:

wenzeled fraud wenzel charlie

1. wenzeled
Defrauded by an Internet seller.

2. Publicly outed as fraudulent person of low character.
"Hey, wanna buy some bran new gears for your truck?"
"LOL ok, here's $115"
"Now I want $140 for used gears out of my 2WD truck"
"Oh snap! I just got wenzeled!"


2. wenzeled
The act of being screwed on a fraudulent internet sale.
MochaMike got wenzeled by Charlie Wenzel.
charlie wenzel fraud screwed sale.
by anthony pipkin Nov 12, 2005

3. wenzeled
past tense of verb "wenzel" or adverb; to financially defraud someone on the Internet and then use Social-Economic position to bully and threaten them; arrogant thievery.

I gave the guy $115, he cashed my check, he misrepresented the goods, didn't send them and called me an asshat! Hey, bro, you just got wenzeled! Or I just wenzeled the dude for $115.
synonym to blatantly cheat lie swindle taunt misrepresent
by Paul F. Dobson Nov 13, 2005 share this

4. Wenzeled
To defraud fellow 'wheelers via the internet. First brought to worldwide view and now continued by . In the case of mudbogger101, flipping vehicles while defrauding the facts of vehicle ownership, vehicle repairs, and holding property that does not belong to him.
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[BeyGon]

I checked that out, the kid still probably doesn't think he did anything wrong. Looks like he got the money and paid it back but It's the culture.

[Zeke]

The original Vitaly Borker.

Google that if you didn't see yesterday's thread.

[daepp]

Epic.

[pwd72s]

For sale: 1972 911S Targa that'll do 165 with the roof off.