1911 buying advice needed

[svandamme]

Markus, i've been shooting with my dad since the tender age of 7.
I just hadn't done so in a while, and decided to join a gun club for some shooting, so i can get me a gun license.. in case the zombies show up.

[Geronimo '74]

At the rate you are selling your Porsche stuff, I would say you are trading in your driverslicense for a gun permit....

[svandamme]

haven't sold any Porsche stuff so far.

[Geronimo '74]

for fifty bucks, i'll buy it all...

Did you sell the turbo case and the crankshaft already?

[Geronimo '74]

Although I do like the 1911.
I kinda like these as well. FNP9. Not that I'm looking to buy anytime soon.




And these too!

[svandamme]

Originally Posted by Geronimo '74

for fifty bucks, i'll buy it all...

Did you sell the turbo case and the crankshaft already?

Originally Posted by svandamme

haven't sold any Porsche stuff so far.

And it's exactly because of low ball offers that i haven't sold any of it.
I don't need to sell anything. So i'm not selling it for cheaps.

[Jim Bremner]

Originally Posted by livi

You start to worry me, Stijn. Guns??


OK, now you ´mericans can flame me.

The words came from this master of peace, Mahatma Gandhi's own mouth, "Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest."

Gandhi saw firsthand the horror defenseless unarmed people must suffer. An unarmed Gandhi was shot down outside the Birla House in Delhi in January of 1948. Gandhi was a wise man with a big influence that was just not big enough.


Any questions?

[svandamme]

beater club pistol, Vostok .22.
one handed, 25 meter, 20 rounds, 162/200 score.
Almost all Black, except for that 6 and a 5 that isn't in the picture.
i am getting better each time, and got the club approval to start practicing shooting with 9mm...

Somebody at the club told me he's selling his Ruger P89 1993, with red dot sights, 3 magazines and a speedholster... But i think i'll pass up on the offer, and shoot a few months with the Club provided 9mm CZ or Beretta..


Mean while get my papers in order for a .45 semi automatic pistol...
That'll take a 3-4 months to come through... do my theoretical (gunlaws) and practical (safe gun handling) exam , neither should be a problem.. And then if i get my license, i got 3 months to find me a shooter, just in time for X-mas


the other route is i go find me a gun now, pay a deposit, and wait for the papers, which sounds like tedious for an impatient person.. knowing the thing is there, not getting your hands on it...

[Bill Douglas]

Originally Posted by svandamme

700 euro buys a lot of .45 acp , bout 2000 rounds at regular store prices, probably more if i buy bulk

Ah ha, the slippery slope. You HAVE to start reloading.

Now I'm reloading for the .45 I'm spraying them around like .22 bullets LOL

[svandamme]

Lol. I'm spraying .22 ammo at 1 box of 50 per time I go to the club,
on average twice a month..
No rapid fire or I'de be done in 5 minutes

So if I do go to .45, I'll be able to keep spraying the way I'm used to with .22!

[Bill Douglas]

Oh yes, and making a whole lot more noise too. AND bigger holes in paper.

I would seriously consider that Dan Wesson .45 you are looking at. Much nicer than that, umm, Italian gun.

[svandamme]

I've read up bout Dan Wesson, apparantly he starts wit Springfield parts for his builds?
The 7 is not his current range, it's a discontinued model, but sold new.. Import is a pita from what I hear, so maybe it's not to crazy, I guess that's a more then decent target pistol, prolly more accurate then I am now, but won't let me down as I improve.. Right?

Tempting, I really don't feel like buying. 9mm, then adding a 45 later, I can only shoot one, don't want to stockpile pistols, rather get me one of each type : 1911 pistol, scoped m1a , shotgun for clay pigeon

You know , cover the basics

[Bill Douglas]

I'm no expert, but, I feel that the 9mm is hard to shoot well (acurately) I find at 25m with the CZ85 Combat that half or most shots are in the black, which I think is 100mm or 150mm in diameter. Then there are a few flyers. I've been trying lots of differnt hand loads so this is my best. Whereas my .45, everything is in the black with nearly all of them 10s or 9s. This is standing, no rest, and two handed. And any ole ammo does this through the .45. It does have a 6" barrel which helps.

I thought about buying the CZ75 Tactical Sports to get the 6" barrel but I didn't want to buy it in case it was as hard to shoot as all the other 9mms seem to be.

My most acurate centerfire is the S&W model 28-3 shooting .38 special wadcutters.

[BlueSkyJaunte]

If you have the means, RUN back to the store and get the DW PM7.

Dan Wesson is a subsidiary of CZ. The pistols are entirely manufactured in Norwich, NY. Many of the parts are from Ed Brown (not Springfield).

It's twice the gun the SA GI is, for what seems like a 35% increase in price. No-brainer.

Here's a little story. Back in 2009 and earlier, Dan Wesson was making around ~3k 1911s a year in various calibers (mostly .45 and 10mm, with the occasional 9mm model thrown in). Average "street" price was in the USD800-1000. They were constantly selling out at any shop that could get a couple in-stock, because they were ridiculously high quality guns for the price.

Along comes 2010, and some genius at DW realizes they've been selling $1500 guns for $1000 and less. So they increased the price to $1500 or more, depending on the model. Guess what? They're still impossible to find in stock anywhere.

Dan Wesson makes a very, VERY good 1911. And if you ever have problems with it (doubtful), Keith Lawton at Dan Wesson will take VERY good care of you.

[Rick V]

I wish I still had my Springfield 1911, it was a tank and fun to shoot

[svandamme]

Originally Posted by BlueSkyJaunte

If you have the means, RUN back to the store and get the DW PM7.

Dan Wesson is a subsidiary of CZ. The pistols are entirely manufactured in Norwich, NY. Many of the parts are from Ed Brown (not Springfield).

It's twice the gun the SA GI is, for what seems like a 35% increase in price. No-brainer.

Here's a little story. Back in 2009 and earlier, Dan Wesson was making around ~3k 1911s a year in various calibers (mostly .45 and 10mm, with the occasional 9mm model thrown in). Average "street" price was in the USD800-1000. They were constantly selling out at any shop that could get a couple in-stock, because they were ridiculously high quality guns for the price.

Along comes 2010, and some genius at DW realizes they've been selling $1500 guns for $1000 and less. So they increased the price to $1500 or more, depending on the model. Guess what? They're still impossible to find in stock anywhere.

Dan Wesson makes a very, VERY good 1911. And if you ever have problems with it (doubtful), Keith Lawton at Dan Wesson will take VERY good care of you.

Well, haven't been to that store yet, just saw it on their webpage.
Guess i'll have a trip to that store come saturday ...

[aigel]

I am no expert but I'd get the DW as well. Stainless is much easier to maintain and keep nice. With your tough laws, I'd get the best gun available and not settle for a compromise. Around here you can go sell it again next week and get the next, but you certainly want to avoid that and get a keeper on the first try.

Have fun!

George

[svandamme]

That's what i figured.. I see plenty of folks at the club, they all have several guns.. most have a .22, then there are some with 9mm's, every once in a while , somebody stops, then the whole kit and kaboodle get's dumped for cheaps, distributed around the club.. On a " well, i can't pass this up, it's cheap" basis.

But at the firing line, most guns i see/hear are .22's.
Now i have nothing against .22 , great little plinking caliber.

But i can't bring myself to spending much money on a .22 pistol, if i can use one of several club .22 pistols for free. (2 Vostoks, 1 Ruger 22/45 MKII), Which ok, won't win me the anual club competition, but i can put in some goot practice.. If i can shoot well with those shooters, i'll be more then fine with a really good gun.

sure i could get me that 9mm from the club boardmember , sure the Ruger P89 is highly regarded, but it's 19 frigging years old. and in six months i'll be jonesing for a 1911 again

So yeah, i'de rather buy 1 really good 1911 right of the mark and get plenty of .45 ACP..then to start off on a whole collection, secondhand gear, all requiring different ammo and all costing me anual license fees.

If this DW PM7 is still in the shop tomorrow, my guess is, i'll be making the drive (other side of the country) to put down a deposit.

[Vintage Racer]

There is only one real 1911, and it's made by Colt.


I love my two .45 ACP Colts.

[BlueSkyJaunte]

Keep in mind there are several .22 conversions available for the 1911. When I bought mine, pricing in the USA ran right around USD300. I wound up with a Kimber which is mediocre at best (purchased it with the Kimber Custom II that I owned and sold because it was such junk). Because they're not classified as firearms--in the USA, anyway!--you may be able to order one from overseas and have it shipped to you. Depending on the laws in your country, of course!.

Anyway, I like the idea of the .22 conversion because the basic platform stays the same. I just wish mine was more reliable. On the other hand, I get a lot of practice in failure drills...