I'll blow your diffuser (F1 spoiler)

[nostatic]

So far no luck in taking time out of the Red Bulls. What's next? Bernie slashing their tires late at night?

[motion]

All hail Adrian Newey.

[mr 911]

Red Bull dominance this year is no different than other teams dominance in previous years. The key is how to get the Scuderia's and Merc's running just as refined...only then will there be an overly exciting F1 season!!

[bell]

ferrari seems to be up to pace......just......mclaren looks to have hit a small wall.....we'll see tomorrow, but if it rains at silverstone expect anything LOL

[sammyg2]

Several years ago, a do nothing also-ran team called honda gave up and walked away from F1.
A guy names Brawn bought the team for next to nothing, but he had a secret. A dirty little secret.

A secret aero design that other teams had not pursued or developed because the rules prohibited it.

Other teams complained but F1 felt sorry for the loser team and wanted to help keep them around, so they let them keep their secret device even though it was not within the rules. It gave them an unfair advantage but hey, they were so far behind it probably wouldn't make any difference, right?
WRONG!
They won 6 of the first 7 races, won the constructors and drivers championship in their first year. thanks to their dirty little secret. Oops.

Of course F1 had said it was going to be outlawed the next season so none of the other teams spent much time or money developing it for the next year. Except red bull.
Brawn sold his team to Mercedes and made a fortune on it, but the dirty little secret was not part of the deal. And without it Mercedes no longer dominated. They got worse and worse.

But, ........... another loser team, an also-ran that rarely scored a point, showed up with their version of the secret.
Of course the other teams protested, but the loser team drivers were just back-markers, what could it hurt? The team was actually named after an energy drink, who could possibly take them seriously?

They went from horrible to 5th place in 2009, then in 2010 they completely dominated and won the drivers and constructors championship.
Cinderella team, but instead of a glass slipper they had the dirty little secret.
A secret the other teams had not developed fully because they were lied to by F1.
F1 had intentionally picked the 2009 and 2010 winners by giving them a substantial unfair advantage over the other teams.
Maybe they didn't realize the extent of their screw-up, but it threatened to blow up in their faces.
So when they FINALLY decided to take away the dirty little secret that was given to certain teams and withheld from others through deception, folks actually claim that F1 is only doing it only to help Ferrari and that it's unfair.

[Noah930]

I don't know if I'm as much of a conspiracy theorist as Sammy. As much as it's good for Cinderella teams (like Brawn GP and initially Red Bull--though now they're part of the "establishment") to do well, I think F1 probably makes more money when teams like Ferrari (and to a lesser degree McLaren) win the championships.

Not saying I understand the FIA's rulings on the legality of the blown diffuser issues, though. I mean, either it's in or it's out. Make a decision and get on with it. You've got Whitmarsh complaining that the interpretation of the rules seems to change by the practice session. You can't say, well we'll address it at a hearing in a month's time and then maybe or maybe not retroactively apply the decision to previous races. And you can't make a decision, and then go changing your technical minds over it several races later.

[flatbutt]

Go back to a cable throttle and simple ground effects...no KERS, no DRS just man and machine says I.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by flatbutt

Go back to a cable throttle and simple ground effects...no KERS, no DRS just man and machine says I.

I'd give them a single wing in back and some nose paddles in front. No more.

[5String43]

Yep. Simplify, simplify. And let 'em run cast-iron brakes to lengthing the braking zones, and let 'em run 3-liter V-8s. As it is not, the rules are strangling the life out of F1.

[Joeaksa]

Originally Posted by flatbutt

Go back to a cable throttle and simple ground effects...no KERS, no DRS just man and machine says I.

Agreed and add a manual gearbox. You know, where they move the lever back and forth like real men do every day!

[motion]

I would like just the opposite: Mostly unrestrained budgets, strategies (tires and fuel), chassis, engines, electronics, transmissions, 2-way telemetry, tires, aero, etc. F-1 should be a showcase of what cubic dollars are capable of. Would be like the good old days of the Indy 500, when everyone in the world showed up with their fresh ideas. About the only thing I am for is pit speed limits, and I think that should be upped to 180 kph.

[Henry Schmidt]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

Several years ago, a do nothing also-ran team called honda gave up and walked away from F1.
A guy names Brawn bought the team for next to nothing, but he had a secret. A dirty little secret.

A secret aero design that other teams had not pursued or developed because the rules prohibited it.

Other teams complained but F1 felt sorry for the loser team and wanted to help keep them around, so they let them keep their secret device even though it was not within the rules. It gave them an unfair advantage but hey, they were so far behind it probably wouldn't make any difference, right?
WRONG!
They won 6 of the first 7 races, won the constructors and drivers championship in their first year. thanks to their dirty little secret. Oops.

Of course F1 had said it was going to be outlawed the next season so none of the other teams spent much time or money developing it for the next year. Except red bull.
Brawn sold his team to Mercedes and made a fortune on it, but the dirty little secret was not part of the deal. And without it Mercedes no longer dominated. They got worse and worse.

But, ........... another loser team, an also-ran that rarely scored a point, showed up with their version of the secret.
Of course the other teams protested, but the loser team drivers were just back-markers, what could it hurt? The team was actually named after an energy drink, who could possibly take them seriously?

They went from horrible to 5th place in 2009, then in 2010 they completely dominated and won the drivers and constructors championship.
Cinderella team, but instead of a glass slipper they had the dirty little secret.
A secret the other teams had not developed fully because they were lied to by F1.
F1 had intentionally picked the 2009 and 2010 winners by giving them a substantial unfair advantage over the other teams.
Maybe they didn't realize the extent of their screw-up, but it threatened to blow up in their faces.
So when they FINALLY decided to take away the dirty little secret that was given to certain teams and withheld from others through deception, folks actually claim that F1 is only doing it only to help Ferrari and that it's unfair.

Anyone else read this and kind of vomit a little in your mouth?
This fantasy could only exist in a delusional mind.
First, Vettel is not and never has been a back marker. He is responsible for taking marginal teams to respectability much like Schumacher did at Benetton. He may be on his way to being the "greatest F1 driver ever" to quote Niki Lauda. His lists of firsts are astounding.
"Last season, at the age of 23, Vettel became the youngest champion in the 61-year history of the World Championship tour. It was the sixth time that the German driver broke the "youngest" barrier in F-1.

In 2006, at the age of 19 years and 53 days, he became the youngest driver ever to drive a Formula One car during a practice session on a race weekend. The following year in the U.S. Grand Prix at Indianapolis, he became the youngest driver to earn points in a Grand Prix.

In 2008, he became the youngest drive to lead a race. And in Italy toward the end of the season, he became the youngest driver to win the pole and win a race. In 2009, he became the youngest driver to finish second in the standings. Last year, the youngest champion.
Vettel already has a dozen wins and 16 poles to his credit at the age of 23.
This year, he will become the youngest two-time champion in the history of F1.

Next the "dirty little secret" that only Ross Brawn knew? If that were true why did Red Bull dominate the second half of 2009 to finish 2nd not 5th in both the drivers and constructors championship. Let's see: by Sammy's way of thinking, Brawn knew he was selling to Mercedes, figured he had the 2009 championship in the bag so he sold Red Bull the "Dirty little secret".
That dog won't hunt and in fact that looks more like dog **** than any kind of dog.

[Joeaksa]

Henry,

Sammy tends to be in his own little world much of the time, so another fantasy should not surprise the group any.

Hows the C-180 doing?

Joe A

[Joeaksa]

Originally Posted by motion

I would like just the opposite: Mostly unrestrained budgets, strategies (tires and fuel), chassis, engines, electronics, transmissions, 2-way telemetry, tires, aero, etc. F-1 should be a showcase of what cubic dollars are capable of. Would be like the good old days of the Indy 500, when everyone in the world showed up with their fresh ideas. About the only thing I am for is pit speed limits, and I think that should be upped to 180 kph.

Cannot disagree but want it one way or the other.

Their reasoning for limits is to let the "Also ran" teams run. Frankly I could care less about that and this is a race.

I really miss the old V-12 engines and this "everyone runs the same engine" BS is just that, bull crap. The sooner Bernie leaves the scene the better...

[Joe Bob]

Widen the track so there can be passing....DUH. The win is in qualification. the race is blocking.....

[nostatic]

Sprinkers in half the turns.

[motion]

Bernie, is that you?

[Henry Schmidt]

Originally Posted by Joeaksa

Henry,

Sammy tends to be in his own little world much of the time, so another fantasy should not surprise the group any.

Hows the C-180 doing?

Joe A

Hi Doc
I just bought a the house next door for my parents so remodeling and moving have occupied a great deal of my time. I did get the wheel bearing,s seals and tyres replaced along with powder coating the magnesium wheels. The carb was sent out for reman and they did a magnificent job.
That's about it but I am trying my best to have her flying by Sept.
Thanks again for all your advise.

[lowyder993s]

Originally Posted by motion

About the only thing I am for is pit speed limits, and I think that should be upped to 180 kph.

With shredders on the axels...

[Cornpanzer]

Sammy...check your facts.

When Brawn and Toyota ran the Double Diffusers in 2009, Red Bull was one of the teams that DID NOT have it. They were fairly competitive even without the advantage that double diffusers gave some other teams.

Mclaren was the first team to figure out how to modify engine mapping and hang the throttle open on de-cel and make the blown diffuser more effective through the entire corner. This started in 2010

I would agree that Red Bull have some little secret which is making them dominant, but it is not due to some advantage from the FIA.