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Is Mass Real?
or is it just an accumulation of force?
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"just"?
well, gravity is "just an accumulation of force" . . . but it is not mass. So hey, how about we have a word for the accumulation of force which makes . .. uhmmm . ..mass?
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Absolutely!
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I think it is a reduction in acceleration....
Wanna get bigger? slow down Wanna lose mass? move faster
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IIRC as you increase speed mass increases as well.
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canna change law physics
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It is an accumulation of energy. More mass = more energy. Lower energy state = less mass.
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Mass is real and not an accumulation of force. If anything, mass resists force. Now if you apply a force to accelerate a mass that's another story.
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Isn't it just a catholic thing anyway....?
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yes, but to keep one of those packets of energy organized, it seems a force is needed. --that's how I read what he wrote.
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Isn't mass just a term used to quantify the density of matter?
Can there be mass without matter...or, matter without mass?
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Haven't been to mass since I was a teen...
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We must be really bored!
Many people use mass and weight interchangably but technically they're not. I mean how many people buy a slug of grapes?
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Energy is force over a distance. Power is energy over time.
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Power is the rate at which work is done- like torque times speed.
Work and energy are equivalent- force over distance. Same units as torque/moment oddly. Foot pounds or pounds feet. My Dynamics professor says the order does not matter. Who is going to bring up String Theory vs. Standard Model's Higgs Boson?
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Well yeah, if you're going to get all Newtonian on us. But for atomic forces...
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