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[vash]

varmit.. you mind backing up and posting up a pic of the animator table? i've never seen one.

i cannot imagine the shock a handgun scope goes thru mounted ontop of a cannon like that! the added heft helps control the recoil, no?

[Jeff Higgins]

It's also claimed that accuracy of the shorter round suffers in the longer chamber, due to excessive bullet jump throught that extra 1/8" that the longer case would occupy. I've never seen it. That said, I load .38 Special level loads in .357 brass just to avoid those chambering issues. I continue to load .44 Special in .44 Special brass, but only because I have revolvers chambered for that shorter round.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by vash

varmit.. you mind backing up and posting up a pic of the animator table? i've never seen one.

i cannot imagine the shock a handgun scope goes thru mounted ontop of a cannon like that! the added heft helps control the recoil, no?

I bet the front sight breaks a lot of front lenses...

[ODDJOB UNO]

vash................reality IS................the WORST RECOIL FROM ANY SPOON to a SCOPE/OPTIC...............is a quality pellet rifle! forward and backward recoil instead of just backward with centerfires.


just ask leupold.



now with that said ..............i blew up (the stadia) in (3) count'em leupold scopes with my mcmilian .338 win mag M-70 win with a 26" barrel and muzzle brake with custom hot loads(elk slammers).


and leupold warrantied each and everyone. and on the 3rd they offered me any scope i wanted with ANY stadia or turrets!

i went with a 4.5 x 14 x50 and it has held up for quite a number of elk hunts now.

[vash]

Originally Posted by ODDJOB UNO

vash................reality IS................the WORST RECOIL FROM ANY SPOON to a SCOPE/OPTIC...............is a quality pellet rifle! forward and backward recoil instead of just backward with centerfires.


just ask leupold.



.

i did not know this!!

[JTO]

My gun shoots a nice five petal cloverleaf at 25 yds with a very mild load consisting of a 200 gr swc and 6.5 grains of Unique. I do use 454 cases though so not really a valid data point.

Cliff: The Leupold scope I use is designed for the high recoil of a 454. So far it has performed perfectly. The mount is a forged stainless mount that FA offers. Seems tough enough!

Troy

[ODDJOB UNO]

Originally Posted by vash

i did not know this!!

theres (2) KINDS OF MUSIC..............COUNTRY AND WESTERN


and theres (2) kinds of scopes..................LEUPOLD and ZEISS/HENSOLDT!


ya get what cha pay for.

[pwd72s]

For Bear country? I believe in the "Big Club" theory...seems to me that Varmint & Jeff have things pretty well covered.

[Jeff Higgins]

Paul, what's funny about all of this is that when all is said and done, our "big club" handguns have less "power" than the lowly .30-30, your favorite .257 Roberts, or one of my favorites, the old 6.5 x 55 Swede. No one would recommend any of those for protection in bear country. Yes, these hand cannons are the most we can carry somewhat conveniently, out of the way on our hip, but they are what they are - powerful handguns that don't even measure up to what many would consider "inadequate" rifles (although some of us would challenge their notions on "inadequate").

Funny, too, how that whole thing has worked. I shot my first several deer with a sporterized Mauser in .257 Roberts. They seemed to think it was "adequate". The .30-30 was considered quite adequate for everything except grizzlies and moose, and the 6.5 Swede was very sought after. I don't know, but it seems as if game must have changed; if one believes the pundits of today, any of these "inadequate" rounds won't stop a charging jack rabbit. One needs the latest .300 "Remchester Short Fat Ultra Light Magnum" (I can't tell anymore if it's ammo or Starbucks...) to kill a lowly Columbia Blacktail.

But yet, somehow, the mighty .454 Casull will completely up-end a charging grizzly, sending him ass over teakettle, turning him inside out like a praire dog hit with the .220 Swift. Hmmm... That said, I have demonstrated to myself, to my own satisfaction, just how well a big bore revolver kills, regardless of its "on-paper" ballistics. Likewise with those "inadequate" rifle rounds. I think things have become ever more so like Elmer Keith used to say - most gunwriters shoot more with their typewriters than anything else. Lots of pure and utter b.s. permeating the shooting world these days.

[ODDJOB UNO]

ya know a whole hell of alot of eskimos will disagree about the lowly .30-.30, and its inability to kill bears/seals/walruses.


very common round there since they were introduced.

[pwd72s]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

Paul, what's funny about all of this is that when all is said and done, our "big club" handguns have less "power" than the lowly .30-30, your favorite .257 Roberts, or one of my favorites, the old 6.5 x 55 Swede. No one would recommend any of those for protection in bear country. Yes, these hand cannons are the most we can carry somewhat conveniently, out of the way on our hip, but they are what they are - powerful handguns that don't even measure up to what many would consider "inadequate" rifles (although some of us would challenge their notions on "inadequate").

Funny, too, how that whole thing has worked. I shot my first several deer with a sporterized Mauser in .257 Roberts. They seemed to think it was "adequate". The .30-30 was considered quite adequate for everything except grizzlies and moose, and the 6.5 Swede was very sought after. I don't know, but it seems as if game must have changed; if one believes the pundits of today, any of these "inadequate" rounds won't stop a charging jack rabbit. One needs the latest .300 "Remchester Short Fat Ultra Light Magnum" (I can't tell anymore if it's ammo or Starbucks...) to kill a lowly Columbia Blacktail.

But yet, somehow, the mighty .454 Casull will completely up-end a charging grizzly, sending him ass over teakettle, turning him inside out like a praire dog hit with the .220 Swift. Hmmm... That said, I have demonstrated to myself, to my own satisfaction, just how well a big bore revolver kills, regardless of its "on-paper" ballistics. Likewise with those "inadequate" rifle rounds. I think things have become ever more so like Elmer Keith used to say - most gunwriters shoot more with their typewriters than anything else. Lots of pure and utter b.s. permeating the shooting world these days.

Jeff, for years I hunted deer with my .257 Roberts...just an old bolt remington.

But for Elk? Yeah, even tho the .257 is legal for elk, I upped my "club" size to 7mm Remingon Mag..a ruger M77.

Both are topped with Leupold scopes...straight 4 power on the .257, 3-9 on the 7mm. Very seldom I packed a handgun on a hunting trip. Both are good hunting rifles today, as far as I'm concerned.

For a "back up" rifle on longer & farther from home hunts? I'd also take mu pre '64 30-30 winchester lever gun. Iron sights. Very legal for all Oregon game, and very good for crawling through the thick stuff...short & compact.

It's kind of like my 4.6 Mustang...yep, it's slower than the new 5.0's...but it's ability hasn't changed.

Fishing in black bear areas, I'd strap on my old Ruger "security six" in .357 magnum. Never needed it, thank goodness. But back then, dog hunting for bear & cougar was allowed, and both had a healthy fear of man.

[varmint]

Originally Posted by vash

varmit.. you mind backing up and posting up a pic of the animator table? i've never seen one.

i cannot imagine the shock a handgun scope goes thru mounted ontop of a cannon like that! the added heft helps control the recoil, no?

believe it's an MGM desk. 1940s vintage. i was working at keeshan animation when the studio folded. maintenance gorillas were dragging all the beautiful desks away. i snuck this thing on my back down three flights of stairs and into my car.




troopers put down a grizzly behind the grocery store last week. she was getting into trash. and got aggressive when confronted. roughly two miles away.

bears are all over this town. still, i know guys who've been here since before statehood and never felt threatened enough to shoot one. so coexistence is possible. but want this gun just in case.

[JKelley]

Freedom Wy

[JKelley]