interesting how you keep mentioning your word ,
and that once you give it, it is non negotiable.

I commend you sir for keeping your word,
as thats all we have to keep us on our own path of integrity!

Your feet will eventually catch up to your words,
if they match then your integrity is intact.

I think I know who they are, and if I'm right it's a shame that they most likely won't come anymore after all this.

(If they still do, can I come, cause they're actually quite good... :D)

You have a PM.

By letting them off the hook, you're setting others up for the same trap you fell into. Let people know about this and name names. It's the right thing to do. Wouldn't matter so much if this weren't a gig designed to get people to write checks to charity. Help stop the fraud.

This is under the assumption that I am correct.

Whatever you decide to do, they are already taking credit for it on their website....

(And if it's them, they have the ebay link on there too. Damn, it shows the winning bid, you paid good money, and not a small amount!)

Rick, they did not refuse the deal, I was the one to blow it up because I was frustrated and pissed off about how they dealth with it. With they, I mean the manager..


There is no reason to believe they would not have honoured their part of the deal , eventually.
It's just that I , refused to be ignored and frustrated more then I have been allready.
It's a subtle difference from "fraud"

^^^^^ +1000

I commend you sir for staying true to your word. Sadly, that has become lost to many people. Not on this site, but people in general.

Dave

Stijn,

I’m sorry to read this.
I think you are maintaining the correct approach.
Hopefully not too much money is involved.
Keep up your good works. The world is full of good people like you.

Best,
Grady

Stijn,

Comendable on your part. Degrading on theirs.

It is likely the band and not just the manager who are doing this to you. Just as a thought.

As another thought, you might actually name the manager so no one else gets stuck with the same treatment as you. You did not say you would not out the manager...


As for the gig, IF they were to perform I would have them do it in front of the local animal shelter. Collect money for the shelter, take nothing for myself. And keep the press rights, the shelter could use them, the band, not so much.

By reading the first post I can't figure out if the band stuck the manager's neck out or the manger stuck out the necks of the band members. I guess I would have to ask who's responsible for this coming to auction and who is supposed to guarantee the performance will occur. At least let them all understand each other so if this breach does actually come to light some day, they will know amongst themselves who to blame.

I think you need to get some swag. CDs, pictures, autographs, t shirts, etc., etc...

Good swag. That is something they CAN deliver. And tickets. Concert tickets. Front row or thereabouts.

How hard would that be ?

In the U.S. "strike while the iron's hot".

David, I don't know how much is the band or not, but it's the manager who is supposed to manage. And he failed on basic manners if you ask me.. If it was the band, he still could have given me a reply of sorts..

Animal shelter , sure, but the auction was for an acoustic set at my home, not transferrable, only 8 guests allowed..

As for outing, I did not differnentiate manager from band when I saidd I wasn't going to throw dirt in the media.. Frankly if I name one, the other is instantly implicated..

Zeke, there's no way of finding out, the only way is if the band members came out and replied with something good on the forward of that mail..

This thing is bugging me still, not the deal it self, but the mechanics of why I pulled the plug...
In short: my tolerance for BS is way to low, and when I get dealt BS it stresses me out.. It consumes me , which is why I wanted out, reagardless of my lost investment.. I rate the stress it gives me more costly...

I think it's a weird side effect from having quit smoking (1 year 3 months now)

Daniel, it's a small indie band.. Not much swag to be had.. Already seen em at a concert.. I'm not looking for swag.. Swag don't fix the ignoring I got..few things piss me off more then being ignored and having to chase things to get what I should..I chase **** @ work, so after work, I don't see it as an enjoyable thing...

Stijn,

VERY GOOD on the smoking thing!!! Proud of you! Keep up the good work! It will pay off in years spent on this world (and reminding us of the poppies in Flanders!!!).


I think the main thing is to let the organizers of the auction know what has happened. They need to know so they do not get caught again with an invalid item to auction. In some areas by someone else the auction might be held to some liability for failure to deliver? Anyway, I feel you owe it to the auction folks to out the group and manager, which you might have already done. You do not owe it to us to out anyone.

I do not know if you receive tax discounts for donations to major charities. IF so, the charity could reflect that your donation was just that as you received nothing for your money other than good feelings. The charity would likely then take off the tax deductions for the manager and the group they were working to take for their own money. Just a thought....


I wish you the best! I know it is hard to let go of when we feel ripped off, especially when it is done so personally! Know you have done something good for the people of Japan. Continue to do good works locally, you will feel good for it!

Sorry to hear, Stijn. I know you were looking forward to them a while back.

How about contacting the record company??
The initiated the auction, surely they want the transaction to be honoured?
Tell'em what an asswipe the manager has been.

Record Company dude covers for the manager. Teh first 2 months i was dealing with him.. nothing happened. He's the one that didn't answer his phone till i turned off number recognition (and it's not like i called him often).

At some point i did get it escalated via auction/charity organisation, and supposedly it went up to the VP artist relations.. That's when i suddenly got dates proposed..
Frankly, i can't be arsed anymore, i've notified everybody involved and voiced my unhappyness to them.. for me, it's a write off.

I can understand you've kinda had enough.

This is one of the things where I think FB could be useful. If it was me, I'd create an account specially for this and spread the word. (But that's just me, I have trouble letting things slide)

Too bad it turned out this way.
Anyhoo, I'm not buying their stuff, I'll be downloading it for fuhking free. (How gangster is that? :))

No. Fuch that.

My wife and I give to charity. Some times its for a good or service. Sorry, but NO, if your holding an auction, and there is product offered, then I expect the product to show up. If it doesn't show up, then your auction is really just a 'give us cash and STFU' transaction. Great if your the mafia, but if an organization expects to be legit in any way, then thats no way of doing business.

I would pursue it, and be a class A dick about getting what you bid on.

You should make them bring beer - and lots of it.