I choose not to beg

[svandamme]

So there was this auction on ebay, for a charity gig for the Tsunami victims in Japan.

I will be honest I'm typically not big on charity, imho i believe it's more important to help in person where possible if asked for help by somebody.. And I donate blood.. But nevermind I digress.

The reason I did bid, was the return favour, eg it was a major record company for Japan. And I bid on an acoustic set @ my house by an up and coming band here in Belgium.

I won the auction, I was stoked.


I totally expected that the band would be very busy during the festival season. And I totally understand that they have to forge the iron while it is hot (dutch proverb, not sure if it is. Also known in english).

So sent em a few mails to see how it would be planned.. Initially they responded.
Talked to the record company.. They were telling be they would propose some dates..
Waited about 3 weeks, sent an email asking for an update.. Nothing
Call the record company guy, no answer, turn on hidden identity on phone.. He does answer and tells me he'll chase it.
I thank him.. Wait 2 weeks, repeat..

After about 2 months, I escalate the issue via the charity/auction people, who tell me they will get it looked at by the VP of artist relations@ the record company.

Within a week I get dates proposed by the band manager ( who never even replied to any previous mail).. I thank hin, I pick a date and I ask him to confirm if that works for him..

Nor reply. + 2 weeks , I ask again if he can get back to me and confirm the dates.. Nothing
+ 1 week ,thursday I had enough and told him to get lost



"Hi Dennis,


Again it seems that we have settled on a routine of me sending you emails , trying to get a date sorted, and you repeatedly not answering.

I do not ask much, you could have answered with :
"i'm sorry, i'm a bit busy right now, i'll get back to you"
Or even "No, i'm afraid your idea of things does not work for us"..

Any answer would have been better then nothing at all.
It's incredibly rude and frankly, i find it insulting to me personally.


Thebandnamegot plenty of free publicity out of the Charity deal for Japan on Facebook and National Radio.

I on the other hand payed a reasonable amount thinking that yes you guys have a busy touring schedule, no it won't be "next week".
But am i unreasonable to expect a bit of pro-activity, commitment and respect from the other party in this deal? Is that to much to ask?

Miranda @ Kompolt was the only one in this ordeal that was friendly andhelpful (Miranda, thanks again).
After 3 and a half months chasing both yourself and others for updates, let me tell you how this is going to work out :

' It ends right here '

Forget the acoustic set, i have to much negative feelings and frustration over this, to the point that i simply couldn't possibly see my expectations met, never mind enjoy the gig.

In short : you are off the hook.
I had enough and i'm putting this behind me.

From my end, i end it right here then continue to be frustrated and ignored/insulted by you.
At the very least i get to feel good that somebody in Japan was helped out by me.

No need to worry , i won't throw dirt in the media, i could, it might even be deserved... but that's not how i operate.

Stijn Vandamme"



After that, suddenly he did reply , with some BS about communication problems , rubbish, the mails he send do arrive if he bothers to send em.
Either way, i had enough, it makes me feel like a begger to chase THEM up to do their part of the charity deal.
And Beggers can't be choosers , so i choose not to beg... It frustrates me , it stresses me out to the point that i'de rather eat my loss then to continue with this kind of people.
I find dissapointment easier to deal with then frustration over something that is still ongoing...

But i am very much dissapointed that it went this way over a charity thing, i expected everybody to come with the best effort, best behaviour because it was charity.. my mistake i guess.

[Geronimo '74]

Which band?

Tell him you'll talk with the press and will get them a bad rep if they don't show.

Or don't have them at your place and spread the news anyway.



EDIT: after your edit... Screw them, I'd get the word out. Like you said, enjoying the set is impossible now. Teaching them a lesson is the least you can do.

[svandamme]

I really do not want to drag it on any further, nor do i want to lower myself..
If i did that, it would be "begging".

[Geronimo '74]

You're too kind.

[Geronimo '74]

It's a business transaction and you got screwed.
Don't get back at them, get even. Your donation is made either way, you did your part

[Geronimo '74]

Which band? Will you let us know, so I don't buy any cd's from them?

[svandamme]

It's ethics: either I hunt them down, and put them against the wall in the media, or I start looking to recup my cash.. In which cases I am clearly abandning the idea of the charity, eg I lower myself.

Or I continue asking them repeatedly, till eventually they show up, at which point I can't enjoy things because of all the frustration leading up to the gig..
This too I feel is lowering. Myself, begging..

I do not accept those way of dealing with this.

[svandamme]

No I won't mention the band, for 2 reasons: 1 I said I would'nt go public, 2 it's the manager that stonewalled me, not te artists

[KaptKaos]

Many groups (musical, business or otherwise) do these charity gigs only for publicity and to chase the money. They're getting the PR for free if you let them off the hook.

[Geronimo '74]

I can see how getting your cash back would be lowering yourself. I would never do that either.
But I sure as hell wouldn't let those a-holes get some credit for supposedly doing performances for charity.
If you ever decide to get even. One of my ex-girlfriends works for Sanoma, which owns Story, our national gossip rag. I can hook you up.
Either way, you're a good guy for helping those in need.

[svandamme]

Can't do that, I would be breaking my own word.
Nor do I see how that would make me feel better..

[Baz]

Stijn,
I appreciate your situation and don't blame you for your actions. I think you took the high road.

A thought crossed my mind that perhaps the band could make a donation to a cause of yours - perhaps an animal rescue organization - instead of the performance you had won in the auction. That way at least they would be accountable for doing something in return for what you "paid for".

Regards,
Bazza

[Geronimo '74]

PM me the name, I won't do anything except not buying their music anymore.

[svandamme]

Thought about that bazza, but that requires me to continue dealing with the a-hole band manager.. And because I blew up negotiations, and the band is new, not rich, I expect that will not work out better then the actual gig negotiations..

[craigster59]

Threaten to go over to the band managers house and perform an acoustic set singing and playing the accordian, I'll bet that will get some action....

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by svandamme

Can't do that, I would be breaking my own word.
Nor do I see how that would make me feel better..

It isn't breaking your word, it is changing your mind. But it is up to you, not othere here to cajole you into naming the band.

[svandamme]

Originally Posted by Geronimo '74

PM me the name, I won't do anything except not buying their music anymore.

You are missing the point, it's the manager, not the band..
I am totally giving them the benefit of the doubt, artists are to Effing romantic and mellow to even figure out what happens to them when they begin to get famous...Which is whay they all need management...

I did send 2 of the band i can find on Facebook, a CC of my mail to the manager.
Maybe they will respond when find a minute to check their messages...

[svandamme]

Originally Posted by red-beard

It isn't breaking your word, it is changing your mind. But it is up to you, not othere here to cajole you into naming the band.

If i tell somebody on the record that i won't do it.. then i change my mind and i do it anyway.. I am in fact breaking my own word.

[Geronimo '74]

Quote de Geronimo '74

PM me the name, I won't do anything except not buying their music anymore.

You are missing the point, it's the manager, not the band..

I am totally giving them the benefit of the doubt, artists are to Effing romantic and mellow to even figure out what happens to them when they begin to get famous...Which is whay they all need management...



I did send 2 of the band i can find on Facebook, a CC of my mail to the manager.

Maybe they will respond when find a minute to check their messages...

True, if it is only the manager that is being a dick, there's no need to go after the bamd as well.
I do think the band will also know about giving a small appearance but the manager may be feeding them BS as to why the concert is not goin to take place. Impossible for us to know that for sure.

Contacting them on FB directly is a good idea.
I'm curious to know how it will turn out.

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by svandamme

If i tell somebody on the record that i won't do it.. then i change my mind and i do it anyway.. I am in fact breaking my own word.

If they are popular in Belgium, either run the Facebook effort or go see them in person and approach them directly.

Email bombs work as well, either on their website or through the charities folks. They need to know in any event.

I like your sense of style and ethical approach to a knotty problem. I'm willing to work a third party approach as well.