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Moving Energy - Pipelines
Besides the recent failure of the SW electric grid, and the great East Coast "gridout" where people walked across the Brooklyn Bridge, the US has lots of problems in transportation of liquid energy.
Not just by ship (Exxon Valdez) but also the supposedly safe pipeline network. ![]() |
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I wonder what the natural gas leakage from the pipe lines to the house meters is.
Has to be millions of cubic feet a day one would think. I do not know how methane plays into pollution. It can not be good. |
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yes, that is another issue - I know people have measured the CH4 leakage in large pipelines and it is pretty high - there was a summary article on it in the NYT a few weeks ago.
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Let's shut all the pipelines down and go back to cutting down trees for energy.
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most gas companies shoot for less than 2% total and probably "0" if they could.
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I didn't calculate for the other types, but for crude oil in 2008, that about a .006% loss. Even that calculation is probably high as I considered that each gallon used by the US only got moved once.
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it is the damage done not the loss that is the issue - spills often happen at river crossings, like the recent one in Montana
the agency that is supposed to enforce pipeline safety is doing a very poor job, partly b/c Congress has choked off their funding |
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what about last year when ubama owned the Congress.
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Apparently the only system that is acceptable to Randy is one that never has any failures.
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We retrofit countless gas stations that leaked for years & did a lot of soil remediation for a large airplane company. Allegedly one of the superfund sites was used by the company for summer picnics, they lit the ponds of waste on fire. Even with new tech, accidents still happen. Guy mismeasured the turbine pump 4 inches too long at a new gas station, installs it into the fiberglass tank & goes home. The next day everyone wonders where the 8K gallons of gasoline went. As long as peolpe are running the show there will be spills.
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glad their funding was chocked off. I had 3 inspectors watching me work the other day, how many other occupations have that many people watching them? As far as damage, just like plane crashes, car wrecks or whatever it all gets cleaned up.
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Its much better than say 25 years ago. With double-walled fuel tanks and leak detection systems its a lot better. I had a gasoline tank failure cleanup in West Hollywood, CA about 25 years ago where they lost 10K gallons, sticked the tank and thought they'd misread the sales sheet and ordered another 10K gallons and lost it again overnight. We had 3 feet of gasoline floating on the groundwater 1/4 mile downhill. Santa Palm Car Wash in West Hollywood. You could probably find it with a goggle search if you cared enough.
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OH BS. The US has pipelines all across it and if "the US has lots of problems in transportation of liquid energy" it would not be necessary for you to come here and try and make people aware of it.
You're intent is consistent with that of an enviro-tard, trying to create a sensationalistic emotional response from the uninformed ignorant masses through exaggeration and deception. Unfortunately as evidenced in this thread ,you have not been completely unsuccessful. It's amazing how SOME people can form a strong opinion about something they have no knowledge or understanding of. |
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Perhaps it takes less energy and is safer to transport oil and liquefied fuels by truck in mass quantities?
Na, I didn't think so either.
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Here's a perfect example of what we're talking about:
oil is natural in nature. It exists naturally, it floats to the surface naturally, it is part of nature. It is especially prevalent off the California coast, where thousands of times or more oil and tar washes up onto the shore from natural sources than from any man-made oil spill. But the lefties can't stand that FACT. That's right kiddies, they've taught you that if oil gets on the ground the world will end, they did not tell you that most oil that ever hits the ground or water is from NATURE. How convenient. The lib gubmint (USGS) is spending large fortunes to try and identify all tar and oil found to determine if it is from a natural source or from a man-made source. Talk about looking for a needle in a haystack. If it's from nature which it almost always is, they so no big deal, that's perfectly OK. but if they find a tiny amount from a man-made source, they act as if WWIII just broke out and try to put the company out of business. I remember about 20 years ago there was a petition going around that asked the fed gubmint to declare a superfund site around a large tar deposit in a town called La Brea. Yep, that's right. they got thousands of signatures to clean up the La Brea Tar Pits. Quote:
Santa Barbara oil seeps: USGS-MMS co-op - USGS PCMSC |
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Isn't it amazing how perspective can change when you have the real story or the whole story?
Natural Oil 'Spills': Surprising Amount Seeps into the Sea | LiveScience Quote:
The rate of release of oil seeps off the coast of California is estimated to be nearly six million gallons of oil a year, with Coal Oil Point, in Santa Barbara Sound being the largest natural oil seep. The Gulf of Mexico natural oil seeps release over 40 million gallons of oil into the marine environment every year easily dwarfing the BP oil spill so far. Read more at Suite101: Oil Rig Spills not the Major Sources of Marine Oil Pollution | Suite101.com http://laurenceosullivan.suite101.com/oil-rig-spills-not-the-major-sources-of-marine-oil-pollution-a250680#ixzz1Xf8l7diN And don't think this is a remote or rare occurrence. Oil seeps and natural spills happen all over the world, every day. Yet the tree-hugging-geniuses won't talk about that, no. They'd rather try to scare the weak-minded into supporting their irrational and emotional cause. Try not to be the droids they're looking for. Last edited by sammyg2; 09-11-2011 at 08:36 AM.. |
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[QUOTE=sammyg2;6248318]
That's right kiddies, they've taught you that if oil gets on the ground the world will end. Exaggerate much? Pot, kettle, black.
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hyperbole -know the difference.
Then you will see Sammy's main point - which you are free to attempt to refute. ...good luck w/ that
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