Coach K, Bobby Knight, JoePa...

KFC911 · 11-17-2011, 03:03 AM

My how things change over time...
Coach K just surpassed Bobby Knight for all time wins, and I've just changed my opinion on someone I've absolutely despised most of my life - Bobby Knight. After reading about Coach K and Knight's "up & down" father/son type of relationship of 40+ years, I've gained some insight into his "personal side", and have changed (softened) my opinion of someone I considered the biggest SOB in the biz.

30 years ago - Coach K is almost "run out of town" for underperforming, Bobby Knight is a royal SOB, and JoePa is the epitome of class and ethics.

20 years ago - Coach K is "king of the hill", Bobby Knight is still a royal SOB, and JoePa is still the epitome of class and ethics.

Two days ago - Coach K surpasses Coach Knight, and I found the moment to be something special between the two legends of the game...they've resolved their "human frailties" and life is good. Which brings me to JoePa...I think of how either Coach K would have handled a similar situation and how JoePa did...and how my opinion of all three legends has evolved over the years.

Just rambling over coffee....

Congrats to Coach K!

widgeon13 · 11-17-2011, 03:58 AM

Paterno is a major disappointment, PSU is a major disappointment, the whole thing is just disgusting and what really bothers me is the lack of concern for the victims. It's all McQueary, Paterno and PSU and how they will recover from this. One has to wonder what impact the pedophile behavior/attitude in the Catholic church had on the decision making by all involved in the PSU situation.

As for coach K, congrats. I have always liked him.

As for Bobby Knight, well he'll always be a POS is my book.

GH85Carrera · GH85Carrera's Garage

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Originally Posted by widgeon13

Paterno is a major disappointment, PSU is a major disappointment, the whole thing is just disgusting and what really bothers me is the lack of concern for the victims. It's all McQueary, Paterno and PSU and how they will recover from this. One has to wonder what impact the pedophile behavior/attitude in the Catholic church had on the decision making by all involved in the PSU situation.

As for coach K, congrats. I have always liked him.

As for Bobby Knight, well he'll always be a POS is my book.

Exactly. Well put.

KFC911 · 11-17-2011, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by widgeon13

...As for Bobby Knight, well he'll always be a POS is my book.

That will always be a VERY popular book and I totally understand!

ps: What "softened" my opinion was reading Coach K's wife's account of their (K and Knight) relationship going back to when she and K were dating while he was a player under Knight at West Point. When K's father passed unexpectedly (later), Knight dropped everything and stayed at the K household for five days to offer "whatever he could" to Coach K, his mom, and family in their time of mourning...something I've never known.

pps: You could probably sell a hundred thousand copies of your book in Chapel Hill alone...get busy writing

widgeon13 · 11-17-2011, 05:19 AM

Once again, I probably have a media slanted opinion. I don't like Jim Boeheim either but he's still around and has a pretty good record.

At least I have the title for the book.

onewhippedpuppy · 11-17-2011, 06:28 AM

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Paterno is a major disappointment, PSU is a major disappointment, the whole thing is just disgusting and what really bothers me is the lack of concern for the victims. It's all McQueary, Paterno and PSU and how they will recover from this. One has to wonder what impact the pedophile behavior/attitude in the Catholic church had on the decision making by all involved in the PSU situation.

As for coach K, congrats. I have always liked him.

As for Bobby Knight, well he'll always be a POS is my book.

While I wholeheartedly disagree with how the Catholic church has handed pedophiles in their ranks, I also have no idea how that somehow is to blame for the behavior at PSU.

widgeon13 · 11-17-2011, 06:37 AM

I wasn't inferring it was to blame but the decision making process set a precedent, that was my only intent.

You don't see any similarities?

sammyg2 · 11-17-2011, 07:33 AM

Paterno's pension is estimated to be $500,000 per year, so he's crying all the way to the bank.

widgeon13 · 11-17-2011, 07:45 AM

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Paterno's pension is estimated to be $500,000 per year, so he's crying all the way to the bank.

Hell, if this thing explodes he may not collect much.

onewhippedpuppy · 11-17-2011, 08:12 AM

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I wasn't inferring it was to blame but the decision making process set a precedent, that was my only intent.

You don't see any similarities?

I see a parallel in that both are organizations that held themselves to high moral standards sweeping a despicable event(s) under the rug to prevent soiling their image. However, I don't think you can connect the two. The desire to cover one's ass transcends church and morality.

Seahawk · 11-17-2011, 09:14 AM

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I see a parallel in that both are organizations that held themselves to high moral standards sweeping a despicable event(s) under the rug to prevent soiling their image. However, I don't think you can connect the two. The desire to cover one's ass transcends church and morality.

Exactly right.

Institutions are staffed by humans with an innate quality spread.

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Hell, if this thing explodes he may not collect much.

Well, I'm pretty sure he has a very healthy bank account already, and really don't think he was doing it for the money, but I would also bet that his other forms of income will dry up other than being a spokesman for nambla...
As too Bobby Knight, I would like to think his famous temper would have taken over and he would have beaten the crap out of the pedophile coach and FIRED him, then turned him over to the law.

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Exactly right.

Institutions are staffed by humans with an innate quality spread.

The Pope is the man that decides how the church deals with the pedophile priests. Until he changes the way it is done now nothing will really change. The "just move the pedophile to a different church and hope he changes method" does not work.

911pcars · 11-17-2011, 10:03 AM

Be careful who you worship. The pedestals that carry your heroes are sometimes as frail as those heroes themselves.

Sherwood

MRM · 11-17-2011, 10:28 AM

My opinion of Bobby Knight has changed over the years, too, and especially recently. He is an abusive bully with an anger management problem but he was almost unique in big college sports in that he was not corrupt and his players really didn't play for money under the table. Not everyone could make it through the program with him, but the ones who did were always clean and mostly lived good lives.

More to the point recently, if he found someone raping a ten year old boy in his shower room, he would have more likely rippped the guy limb from limb rather than cover it up. Knowing Bobby, he probably would have called the cops after the guy was dead, and with the bad guy's blood still splattered on his clothes. And he'd act surprised when they asked him why he brained the guy.

I would have thought that approach would be more universal in big college sports, but apparently it's not. So he may still be an abusive bully with an anger management problem, but Bobby goes up a notch or two in comparison.

Seahawk · 11-17-2011, 10:48 AM

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The Pope is the man that decides how the church deals with the pedophile priests. Until he changes the way it is done now nothing will really change. The "just move the pedophile to a different church and hope he changes method" does not work.

Institutions are staffed by humans, which can occasion the horror of pedophilia in the institution of the church, Penn State and whatever group you hold dear.

Institutions are as frail as man: comparing the Church and PS sounds like fun, just not to me.

M.D. Holloway · 11-17-2011, 10:55 AM

And how many big corps cover up things like toxic pollution and insider trading and corruption? Not in the same league as child rape but still morally and ethically wrong.

Anytime you get power and money at work you are going to get this - it is the norm not the exception the bigger things get. How many

911pcars · 11-17-2011, 11:08 AM

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And how many big corps cover up things like toxic pollution and insider trading and corruption? Not in the same league as child rape but still morally and ethically wrong.

Anytime you get power and money at work you are going to get this - it is the norm not the exception the bigger things get. How many

"...... many big corps cover up things like toxic pollution and insider trading and corruption? Not in the same league as child rape but still morally and ethically wrong."

Insert, "illegal" as well. Less oversight (i.e. regulation) results in man's greed and avarice taking over. It doesn't take but a key person in charge + loyal minions.

Sherwood