Tired of Anti-LEO threads?
 

here is a sobering article...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/10/us/defying-trends-killings-of-police-officers-are-on-the-rise.html?_r=1&hp&gwh=D38CF30BC49445C164845A29DD19 5AB5

A natural result of the militarization of local law enforcement and the "War on Drugs".

"To Serve and Protect"? Really?

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One bad apple dose in fact kinda ruin he whole dept. Time for them to rise up and clean up their ranks.
I have a bad one here in twn. I know it, they know it...yet it prevails as a dirty cop.
Most are good guys...just a job....some...it goes to their head..some kind of gods...they think

WOW...They make me cringe !

They don't earn no respect, they don't get no respect. They may think it's smart to have people fear them rather than respect them. We're seeing the results of that attitude, it means they can't turn their backs.

sorry, webbie. there is a reason that the LEO are mistrusted. and they earned it.

No, not really.

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Randy wants a Police State..........

Cause they whine better

the FBI counts every dead cop and every shot or hurt cop
but not citizens killed by cops or shot or hurt

WHY ARE THEY HIDING THAT DATA

I think the numbers need to be published

I strongly suspect the number is north of a 1000 to 1
of dead citizens to dead cops

Im no LEO hugger, but Ill put in a good word for them over in incident that happened yesterday to me-
Speeding home on the highway going about 85 in a 55 (at night). I joined and passed a group of merging cars. One was pacing me and it was a cop. I didnt know this until he hit the flashers. I was so pissed at myself for about to be getting a ticket. Pulled over to the right lane, slowed down, looking for a pull over point. When I looked back he was gone, no lights. He just glided by me. I couldnt see a thing, but I imagined him wagging his finger at me saying slow the F down.
If he led the way, I would have bought him all the beers he wanted that night. Maybe he liked Porsches. And the V1 was on, by the way.

some did -- a minority

If the "good cops" don't rat out the bad cops, doesn't that make the good cops just as bad for allowing the misuse of authority to continue?

my brother is a policeman. a SWAT guy, so he has all the armored do-dads shown above.

his work ethics are unreal. my mom is jealous of his job..he tends to even put work ahead of family. drives my poor mom insane. he is never late for work, but will leave dinner with mom cold on the table. there isnt a fellow cop that has a bad thing to say about my brother..he is a sargent and everyone listens to him. he goes outside of his work duties and forms community outreach programs. on his own time. he raffled off a rifle and a pistol to buy toys that the SWAT team handed out at a childrens hospital. he had to force some guys to go. the kids love it. this year, it is hanging out with old folks at an old folks home..movies, checkers..reading..stuff like that.

i meet all of his cop buddies and some of them are fantastic. some not so fantastic. the camaraderie is unbelievable. someone cased my mom's home and he sent out an email..i bet that residential block has never seen such police presence..they really stepped up to keep an eye out for my mom. my kid brother has some pull.

i am proud of my younger brother. he went to college and as a little boy, he knew he wanted to be a policeman. he never deviated from the plan..HS, college, police academy..unlike me..i was like a plastic bag blowing in the wind.

i hear some horror stories about lazy cops, stupid cops, and yes..crooked cops. but for the most part..i think they do a fine job. at least at at my brother's city.

Well I should mention that my father is a local Sheriff's deputy, and my brother in law is U.Va's chief of police. Yet I still distrust the revenue generation machines with a god like complex.

as stated above, it is in their training: if they are trained to lie, how can they POSSIBLY be trustworthy?

seriously, i've been pulled over a total of maybe 14 times (four tickets in 26 years), of those fourteen times, i was lied to about 4 times. that is four out of 6 for county/city police, none for highway patrolmen. that is a pretty bad record, in my book.

Seems to be commentary on that point as well. No idea on the legitimacy of the article.

Is The Increasing Number of Cops Killed by Perps Really a "Disturbing Trend"? - Hit & Run : Reason Magazine

Yeah, but would they do that for someone who was not a part of their gang? I don't think so.

I can't help but sense a "guilty before proven Innocent" vibe everytime I deal with a cop.

I should add that I have had some positive encounters with LEO's... but that was decades ago when they still had "to protect and serve" on their cars.

for the record, i've had several positive encounters with LEO's. the very last one, a couple of months ago, for example. pulled me over, ticketed me, professional, no BS. i was speeding, i got caught. lesson learned.

the DN a couple of summers ago..... well, his lieutenant came to understand just how pissed off i was about the treatment i received from his ego-tripping county 'sheriff'.

The trouble is the DOUBLE STANDARD...get out of JAIL card...if you are a LEO you can SPEED anywhere.any time.all my relatives are cops.
My Father was a Sheriff .
my Nephew a cop.
I have enough ID with me...you CANT give me a ticket !
SO. It all so SUCKS!
WE have Them against a us !

I've had one good encounter with a LEO. I was rolling up I-57 north of Marion, Ill. one Sunday morning keeping it at about 100-105 in my E320. I noticed a lot of cop cars at the crest of the next hill and slowed down, but as I passed them one pulled out and lit me up. I was sure I was going to jail. He said the airplane overhead (and pointed to it) clocked me at 79. I don't know if they got the wrong car or what, but I was going at least 25 mph faster than that. I took the ticket and got the hell out of there before anyone said, "Hey - that's the 100 mph guy!"

Is PURGERY
In Court ..did the one writing the ticket see you doing the crime ? NO !
DONE deal.your off -they lied

Patrick, I know that event was in the past, but for future reference:

The only way an airplane can "clock you" is to time you between two measured points on the ground*. Those points must be measured accurately with a calibrated instrument, and the stopwatch used must also be calibrated. Subpoena the calibration records, and the training records of the person who did the actual "clocking". Find out if he did the math manually or used a computer program. If a computer program, ask for its calibration and software certifications. If manually, subpoena his calculation notes. Don't forget to also subpoena the aircraft logs to be sure that you know who was in the airplane that day. I would also subpoena the aircraft logs and the pilot logs and call into question whether the plane was being flown legally.

That's the way we do traffic court here... subpoena every possible record on everyone that was ever associated with the stop. If they want my money, they're going to have to work for it.


* Because of whats known as cosine error, they cannot accurately use radar or laser from the plane.

I have had mostly positive encounters with LEO. My son has also, but he does not recognize this. He has done some stupid things, as kids will do, and they have gone "light' on him.
In all professions there are good and bad.

Was it Columbine were a teacher bled out because the police dressed for combat would not enter the building?

That was one of the lessons learned. They have to get in quick so as to at least disrupt the shooters. It does not mean they shoot it out from the get go AND it is very dangerous for the entry team as they have to make the bad guys on the fly. But to not go in gives more time to the bad guys to do as they please, that ain't good.

I think the root cause of this militarization of civilian police is TSA money/grants. Local police depts, no need for this equipment, have a "use it or lose it" attitude wrt to the funding. I've had mostly positive encounters with LEO, but I still view them mostly as tax collectors or jackbooted thugs looking for a fight. They should spend that TSA money on training on how to de-escalate situations and weeding out the guys who want just a little too much to become cops. If they went after the real dangers on the roads, they'd have all the money they ever needed and make the roads a lot safer.

The militarization of law enforcement started long before the TSA.
It started post Vietnam, when the black bread van started being seen on LA streets.
It started when Lt. 'Hondo' Harrelson could be seen on American TVs, and when every small town donut chaser decided to get in a d*ck measuring contest with their TV superheros.

My guess is they wrote me a ticket for 14 mph over the limit to get my $60 and get it over with. If the fine had been significant, I'm sure my atty would have done just as you suggest.

I was being searched and humiliated by the police long before the TSA came along.

Never had a bad experience with police but then again I never go over 84 on the highway.

No offence meant, but you are not a dude, invalid.

No. Not really.


Michael Paxton said he was playing with his 7-year-old dog in his backyard in Austin on a “quiet” Saturday when an officer showed up in his driveway. His dog, who ran out to the officer’s feet, was dead in seconds. The police officer, responding to the wrong address, shot him and killed him.

Spot on, and very sorry to say this...

I agree, but let's not lump everyone into the same category.

BTW - the money for para-militarization of the police really started to flow with Nixon, and the rise of SWAT; then there was that bank robbery shoot out down in LA somewhere that the police were clearly outgunned in

I think the militarization of civilian police was well underway by the time of the 1997 North Hollywood shootout.

After the 1980 Norco shootout, the San Bernardino sheriffs dept ran out and procured an M16, an AR15, and some Ruger mini 14s.

After the North Hollywood event, the DoJ helped out by giving the LAPD several hundred fully automatic M16 rifles.


Although letting civilian police forces turn themselves into a paramilitary organization is in itself dangerous to the public at large, what I think is more dangerous is the attitudes displayed by these heavily armed cops.

Shoot first, deny responsibility later.

Of course you can't realistically paint with a broad brush with complete accuracy but....

I dated a former cop - one for over 15 years - and she said most of them are a bunch of a-holes that she wouldn't trust as much as a private citizen. She said they don't think twice about lying when it fit their agenda. And yes they tend to stick together ready to back each other up especially when the public is upset about an incident involving a cop abusing his "power".

Of course there are probably some exceptions though.....