No...I said she's not a winner. And the facts back up what I say. Not sure why you're in denial about this. I'm not making it up.

And the only ones I said shouldn't be in racing were certain men (guys who have been backmarkers for years specifically. At some point when you're not winning and you have no chance of winning, it's time to hang it up or race with people who are of a similar skill. This is for those at the pinnacle levels of the sport). Go back and read. At no point did I say she shouldn't be in racing.

She's just not very good at it...winning.

Nice try, but no cigar.

This is what you said:

"ALSO"...infers that the men who "shouldn't be in racing" are in addition to Danica.

If you don't want to stand by what you say, don't say it.

It's a ridiculous assertion to say that anyone "shouldn't be in racing" unless you can show they're endangering others' lives.

Where do you think your vehemence comes from on this? Any personal reasons involving racing?

Danica can race all she wants. She's just not a winner. Which I said several pages ago. I stand by that. You can be in denial about her skills (or lack thereof) all you want.

And it's not just racing. It's any professional sport, really. When you cease to be great (or even good) at what you do, it's time to hang it up or go down a class. Football, basketball, baseball, etc. But those are team sports, so those not pulling their weight can be picked up by their teamates. Not really the case in racing. Either you win...or you don't. There's nobody to pick you up. Fortunately for Patrick, she's good for marketing so that's her saving grace.

Back to racing....I thought it was a bad decision for Schumacher to come out of retirement to race in F1 again. This despite the fact he was a proven winner and multi-world champion in years past. But his time had passed. And I said he would never be a factor in a championship race again. I was right.

And I'm right about Danica.

Blah, blah, blah. You have an opinion on everybody in every sport.

I see you're still essentially running from your ridiculous "shouldn't be in racing" statement. You didn't say she should drop down a notch, you said she "shouldn't be in racing."

So, have you seen her endangering other drivers' lives?

Also, don't run from these questions: Where do you think your vehemence comes from on this? Any personal reasons involving racing?

You just think I said she shouldn't be in racing. We can go back and forth about the semantics of my wording and use of "also" as much as you'd like.

And I'm not running from your questions. All I have done is state a fact about Patrick's racing career and her not being able to win. I'm sorry to disappoint that there is nothing deeper to this. Only emotions or opinions could be altered by "personal reasons involving racing". And this is neither of those because it's fact based. Patrick has won once since she started racing seriously. FACT.

I rather enjoy motorsports. Will be making a road trip next week to watch some racing in Indy.

It's not semantics, you said it. You're running from it.

I stand by everything I've said... especially when I said there are guys here who jump at the chance to bash Danica every time her name is mentioned.

It's unwarranted and over-the-top.

I disagree. The facts support it. :D

I don't think anyone should "hate" her though. That's strong.

The facts don't support "jumping at the chance to bash Danica every time her name is mentioned."

To quote a line from a movie I can't remember...

"That sounds like a personal problem."

:cool:

Heel n Toe,

Let it go. Plenty of people don't think she should be driving in NACRAP or IndyCar including myself. Your lessons in grammer won't change that. She is not a winner.

Uh... Paul... it's not me that needs to "let it go."

It's you guys.

Y'all have a very unhealthy obsession with bashing her.

Nah, it's you :D. Bashing Nascar drivers is as old as the sport itself. Been watching for years (though not much anymore), and she just "ain't that good" compared to her competitors imo. If she were male, she'd have faded from the scene years ago ...but she still has the nicest butt in Nascar :p

ps: She is VERY much a winner though...living the dream doing what she loves...nuthin' wrong with that.

The difference between Danica and others that haven't got the talent to make it to the top of their sport is that there is an ongoing media/fan lovefest for Danica, whereas nobody pays much attention to the others. It's not that Danica is any worse than other drivers that don't win, it's just that she's no better either, yet gets so much attention from the media. She's been over-hyped for years and there's no sign that it will end anytime soon.

To say I hate her is wrong and misses the point. I just can't stand the unwarranted hype. It's not deserved.

There are lots of women that had a better win record than Danica. Milka Duno is a recent example, although when she made it to Indycar, she couldn't cut it and was roundly criticized for her poor driving and essentially run out of town, so to speak. Danica has better driving skills than Milka, but seems to lack that extra little bit that makes her a winner. People still remember Janet Guthrie, although it's not because she ever won anything of consequence. I expect that will be Danica's fate.

JR

I don't care much for Danica, but I do root for her because she's a good story. And I think it's ironic all this "she isn't a winner" talk. Minimize it all we want, she's the only woman to ever WIN a big league race (Indy car). She's the only woman to win a pole (Daytona 500 [A big deal]), and she was only a rookie. She's the only woman with a real shot to win the Indy 500 with a few laps to go (She was in the lead, finished 4th). She's the highest finishing woman in the Cup series ever (I believe 12th this year).

So sure, she'll probably never win a race, but she sure knows how to make a splash. Ironically, Milka Dunno, excellent race car driver for sure, was run out of Indy car because her inability to keep race pace was deemed unsafe.

The real question is would anyone care about her (much less like her) if she looked like Helen Thomas? The answer is obvious.

She and her sponsors are trading on her looks- which is fine- but in terms of talent she's a long, long way from the big leagues.

http://www.prolifeblogs.com/articles/helen.jpg

Is Helen Thomas racing now?

Dunno....I've only been to the dog track once and that was years ago SmileWavy

My personal best lap times were set with her chasing behind me.

This thread is full of dumb.

I heard she lapped you.

The funny thing is she is in the big leagues. But, she is in last place for drivers who have run every race.