"This is a View of the Future, so Watch Out"

[Rick Lee]

I had dinner with Gogar in Denver last week and he told me the fires were made a lot worse because of some kind of bug that's infesting and killing the trees. So they catch fire a lot more easily. The next day I had a meeting at a Denver gov't. agency and they told me the same thing. Seems to me man didn't cause the lightning or the bug infestation that are causes of this fire.

[Rick V]

The pine bark beetle will destroy a stand of trees in no time flat, and what they leave behind is ripe for combustion. I lost my beautiful stand of white pines (about half an acre) a few years ago because of them. They walked through Va like Grant taking Richmond

[Tobra]

Originally Posted by DAEpperson

Deforestation is NOT the problem - over-management and prohibitions on logging are the problem. Many Forest Service officials even acknowledge this now.

^this^

Stupid "environmentalists" are the direct cause of the huge fires we have now. Periodic, smaller fires is how forests clean up the floor, with the added benefit of destroying diseased trees. Logging in a well planned manner will accomplish the same thing.

Ignorant people fail to understand this. It is only the future if we continue to allow stupid, ignorant people to direct our policies.

[911boost]

Lightening started the High Park fire, there is a debate going in the beetles, but yes the trees catch quicker but there isn't a canopy left to help spread it.

I was referring to the Waldo fire, which I understand was helped along by an arson.

[Scott R]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

I had dinner with Gogar in Denver last week and he told me the fires were made a lot worse because of some kind of bug that's infesting and killing the trees. So they catch fire a lot more easily. The next day I had a meeting at a Denver gov't. agency and they told me the same thing. Seems to me man didn't cause the lightning or the bug infestation that are causes of this fire.

This is my point exactly, but it doesn't feed peoples emotions like the charged headlines at the top of this thread. I cleared my property of dead trees last year, got a forest permit to do it, most of them were dead from the pine beetles last year.

[KNS]

Bark beetles proliferate during times of drought and our forests here in AZ have been hit hard by both. Combine those problems with poor forest management and we're getting bigger fires.

[RWebb]

http://ccsl.iccip.net/climatechangeco.pdf

WWA

[Scott R]

Terrible sources, sloppy too. Doesn't even mention our record snowfall totals last year.

[RWebb]

not liking the scientists, eh?

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[RWebb]

Originally Posted by jyl

Food inflation is going to start up again. Check out charts for corn and other agricultural commodities, beef, dairy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/05/us/for-midwest-corn-crop-the-pressure-rises-like-the-heat.html?hp

[Scott R]

Originally Posted by RWebb

not liking the scientists, eh?

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No, they don't impress me at all.

[RWebb]

Luckily, scientists do not need to impress people like you

[Scott R]

Originally Posted by RWebb

Luckily, scientists do not need to impress people like you

In fact though, they do.

[Tervuren]

Revelation 16:9

Rwebb will be right one day. about the climate change..

Bible says so.

[dafischer]

Originally Posted by RWebb

Luckily, scientists do not need to impress people like you

Oh, so you're a scientist this week? What happened to Lawyer/Biologist/Environmental Engineer/Astronaut/Cowboy/Indian Chief/Doctor, etc., etc.?

[RWebb]

I was referring to the scientists at NCAR - you would have known that if you'd read further up on the thread. But I'm a scientist every week, and also an attorney.

You may want to lay off the Village People thing tho - it seems like it is affecting your ganglion.

[dafischer]

Sorry, Buckwheat, but I don't seem to have a ganglion. I happen to have a brain, which has deduced that you just happen to pronounce yourself as an expert on everyfrickinthing.

[techweenie]

Boys, boys.

You should probably take a moment to talk about the human-caused fire in AZ.

Sunflower Fire traced to bachelor party fun - CBS 5 - KPHO

Seems it wasn't a total fluke:

Guns blamed for starting wildfires in parched West - FOX 10 News - Phoenix, AZ | KSAZ-TV

[Lothar]

Those guns probably walked in F&F. I should have guessed that the fires would become an excuse to forward the leftist, anti 2nd amendment, anti-liberty agenda.

[Taz's Master]

Originally Posted by techweenie

Boys, boys.

You should probably take a moment to talk about the human-caused fire in AZ.

Sunflower Fire traced to bachelor party fun - CBS 5 - KPHO

Seems it wasn't a total fluke:

Guns blamed for starting wildfires in parched West - FOX 10 News - Phoenix, AZ | KSAZ-TV

Come on Guns don't cause fires, Anthropogenic Global Warming does, or Guns don't cause fires, stupid environmentalist policies do. Read the Constitution!