Opinions on if I did the wrong thing?
 

So this past Sunday I'm playing golf as I do every Sun and who's playing in front of us but Ed Reed of the Baltimore Ravens.
Let me start by saying I am not impressed by these stars I could really care less about them and their money. There are several Pro athletes at my club, Reed is not one of them

So here it goes

He is on 10th hole as we are starting on 1st

My group gets to 14 and here comes our cart girl Betsy (who is very attractive) My buddy Tim says to her "so what kind of tip did you get from Reed?"

Before I go further let me state that I also find out that his group was compted their round of golf plus what ever they wanted from beverage cart

Betsy tells us in her sweet voice "he did not give me a tip but he did let me take a pic with him"


We were floored by this, I mean really this guy makes millions a year and wont throw the girl a 20-50-100 whatever

so now to what I did

We get to the clubhouse after round and still talking about it everybody egged me on to send him a twitter message

Soooo I proceed to do so and I said some kinda mean things


My Head Pro Damon calls me today to confirm our poker game this Saturday (he is close friend of mine) and he says "by the way you got me into some crap with Reed he is threatening to not hold his charity tourny here next year"

So this guy goes crying to Damon showing him my tweet
Damon's response to him was "I cant control what one of my members does"

Damon is cool with me he actually thought it was funny and agrees the guy is a ******


Reed responded to me via twitter calling me a loser and asked me if Betsy told me he let her take a pic with him (I guess he feels a pic is a great tip)



I guess Im not really looking for opinions because to be honest I could care less..LOL

Just venting about these athlete *********s

Self-serving douche....

which guy?

Class is not defined by ones wealth or celebrity.

Do you think you exhibited any more or less than he did?

Curious why you did not choose to call him out in person.

I would have but he was not there when we got done. He played 2 hrs in front of me and these people don't come into the clubhouse and hang out

Ok so for you guys who are gonna give me crap for having no class this is the tweet I sent


@TwentyER so u get ur round compted at mt branch and u can't give the cart girl a tip??? Hey Balt let's give this ****** more money

Why would you call someone out on tipping behavior? It isn't that he groped the girl. Tipping is not a law. If he chooses not to tip, that's his business.

You may end up with egg on your face in the end - they will remember who triggered the charity event cancel - nobody will care why this heckling started and who is "right" or "wrong". No matter what the club manager says, I guarantee you he is not happy ...

IMHO the rule is to stay out of other people's biz unless there is something illegal taking place. Then just notify the authorities. Otherwise chances are you will end up with a bashed in face, keyed car, or a burning pile of **** on your front doorstep. ;) Sound familiar?

G

I'm pretty easy going with my staff. Cut them lots of slack.

I have one fireable offense that I'm dead serious about, never discuss your compensation with others, ever.

You seem to be fond of Betsy.

If the d-bag complained to the club Pro whose to say he did not/will not escalate up the food chain.

How would you feel if she got fired for discussing the generosity or lack thereof of an individual that may represent significant revenue for the club?

He should have tipped.

Your buddy had no business asking.

Betsy should have kept the fact that he didn't tip to herself.

You should have let it go.

Agree with aigel. You may be right, from a social more perspective. The guy could have been a better tipper. But that's between the cart girl and him. None of your business.

Of course, he's a celebrity, on Twitter, has a public life, etc. So you have the right to call him on his penny pinching. But he's also got the right to not hold the charity tournament at your club ... or anywhere else.

I wouldn't have done it. My $0.02.

yes
bel air private club golf right there is wrong

then

you have hookers on golf carts ?

PICTURES

One more thing to reflect upon. So you are a known rich guy - don't you think it gets old that everyone expects you to be generous? How about they like you for who you are and not your $$$ - i.e. getting a picture taken? It sure sounds like the Betsy girl wasn't too concerned about it and enjoyed the snapshot just as much. (Also, why does it matter if Betsy is smoking hot or not - are you supposed to tip for looks?)

G

So what does the "cart girl" do, exactly? Is everyone supposed to tip her?

I agree with SM that she should not be discussing how much some public figure, (or anyone else), tipped her for her job. That would be a firing offense on most jobs. And she shared it with a guy who has the biggest mouth on earth, you. Twitter to about a zillion people and now here...you're actually trying to litter the internet with this important info.

I'm not even sure she deserved a tip. And yes, you're an asshat.

All of them

The service industry has the biggest data base for tippers and their generosity or lack thereof. They will rat out a guy in a heartbeat. Ed Reed should know that if he stiffs the cart girl, that fact will get out eventually. He probably doesn't care.

But that info would most likely stay within the community - caddies, washroom attendants, waiters cart girls etc. That info that the girl gave to you was probably given in confidence so it would have better to not spread it around because now she might hear about it from her superiors.

She probably thought you were pretty cool and was considering sleeping with you until your betrayed her trust by blabbing about the tip. Too bad dude. Pics?

Lol...

I golf every week. Last week it was 100+ degrees. The cart girl was driving around on the course going to every player and asking us if we're "hydrated" and giving out free water. I'm not rich, but I tip EVERY time the cart girl comes by. This is just a summer job for them and most of them are in school come fall.

Good on you for calling him out. I mean seriously...the guy is a millionaire and he can't give her $1 or even $5 for waiting on him? Who knows, maybe the next time he is faced with a similar situation, he'll tip a kid working a summer job...

I find this odd. To me, one's pay has always been a personal thing. If they choose to keep it to themselves, that's fine. If they care to share, that's fine too.

But firing someone over that?? Either you're

A) a control freak.
B) you don't want the competition to know that you don't pay very well and are afraid that your staff will get poached.

I once worked for a firm where the president nearly encouraged people to share their pay. It worked to his benefit...we always had the competition's best people come to us looking for work. We always had the best and brightest. It worked to his advantage. And he was also proud that his company was among the best paying in the industry.

But fire someone over that? Wow....

Worry about yourself and whether or not you are being a good person. Everything else is just fluff.


As far as the "tweet" goes: if you have to ask youve already answered the question.

IMO he shoulda tipped big!

Most celebs are big tippers. Not because they are naturally generous, (though some surely are), but because they don't want to get called-out all over the web for being a cheap ass hole. They are known for leaving monstrously huge tips because it's a cheap way to get themselves in the gossip pages.

This is how you do it....Peyton left a $200 tip...AFTER 18% was factored in for a tip....

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Was he wrong for not tipping the girl, I would say yes but not knowing the whole situation I will not comment. That is between those two.
Were you wrong to call him on it, yes, this is again, between him and her.
Was your friend Tim wrong to ask in the first place, yes.
I am just the type of person to keep my biz mine and leave others alone.
If you liked her service and want to give her a good tip, that is between you and her, and no one else. The same rules apply

I agree, people should take care of the folks like Betsy. That's the society we live in - the clubowner pays her less than a living wage because he knows she's cute and people will tip her. Win-win. It happens all across America every day. We all know it, some of us choose to participate, other people opt out.
What did the other millionaires who didn't tip Betsy say when you tweeted them?

Why would someone ask about the tip of another person other than to see how they measure up against a known rich guy.

Just seems like a sword fight to see who has the biggest one. So your friend is wrong for asking.

You may not have had all the answers. maybe the girl asked for a picture which could have been worth more to her than a tip. ( yea I don't get it either).

Kids need to learn the etiquette of life such as not discussing the tipping or lack of with others.

You should have let it go, as mentioned above what sort of example are you setting for others to follow?

stupid.....

On a more positive note, I've always liked Peyton Manning. Perhaps even more so now.

angela

Calling the guy out for being a douche... no big deal. He's a celeb and it comes with the territory.

However, you probably put Betsy and the Club in an awkward position and , had you had more time to think it over, you might have laid off the Tweet. While the club cannot control the actions of its members, it can enforce policies regarding the behavior of employees and Betsy could have been in the cross hairs for discussing something that was none of your business.

Regarding your friend, it was probably inappropriate to ask about the tip, but that's his right. She should have refused to answer by deflecting the question in some cute way, i.e. "Why do you ask? Do you want to challenge him to a tipping contest, 'cause I'm game?"

If I were her employer, I would sit her down and explain that I understand that this was an awkward situation for her. I would then coach her on a better way to handle the situation. I would not discipline her unless there were other issues about her performance.

This shows how things that seem meaningless at first glance can take on a life of their own very quickly and professionalism is something that should be maintained at all times.

Wait. You use twitter?

THere's your biggest problem right there.

Yeah, guy gets his whole game for free and free refreshments and doesn't tip the little people. Yeah, that's a crappy move. The guy may not have ever thought about it before, and maybe he will now (or maybe not). He's probably pissed at the chick in the cart too. But, now you look a bit like a douche too.

Not every job is one that will provide a "living wage". Some positions, like working for McDonalds, are only stepping stones. You gain experience and then move up or move on.

True, to a degree, but you don't have to be drinking age to schlepp McDonalds.

Yes you did the wrong thing. It's his money and he choses what to do with it. Not you.

Haven't you ever seen reservoir dogs? Go rent that movie right now and watch the diner scene as many times as it takes.

Edward Earl Reed, Jr. is an American football free safety for the Baltimore Ravens of the National Football League. He played college football for the University of Miami, and was a two-time All-American. WikipediaBorn: September 11, 1978 (age 33), St. Rose


Salary: US$ 7,200,000 (2012)

Education: University of Miami
Team: Baltimore Ravens (#20 / Free Safety)



Baltimore Ravens | News | Ed Reed: I Always Planned On Playing

FYI - if you ever attend a "Top 10 HR Myths" seminar, this one is at the top of the list. Employers have no recourse against employees discussing comp. It isn't classy, but it is legal. If you fire someone for this and they retain a savvy employment practices attorney, you could get bitten hard.

With your train of thought on tipping, you are assuming that tipping is something everyone subscribes to. That is simply not true, for many reasons.

Check out your envy quotient by allowing yourself to feel as envious as you really are/were.
Tons of info for you there about what prompts our juvenile behavior.
BTDT.
SmileWavy

1. Worry about yourself and whether or not you are being a good person first.

2. Look out for your fellow man and gently encourage others.

3. Re-evaluate 2 from time to time.

I'm good with the tweet.

I think NotaBRG's post was tongue in cheek. I could be wrong (yet again.)

You did exactly what any courageous middle school girl would do. Congratulations.

Well it made me laugh :D