yea...look into it.

you know what else is horrid to the liver? anti fungals..like athlete foot meds. big time liver damage from prolong use.

Topical use !? Yikes...

Growing old(er) requires a plan.

I am a very high mileage 56 since I always thought living well required being smart mixed with physical risk and physical reward. I stuck my mug everywhere.

Now? I am simply more thoughtful: I now stretch, work out six days a week and think about the physical plant that I abused with malice.

Supplements help, diet helps, etc. My advice? Never stop moving, ever. That is the knell, the end.

As much as it hurts, not moving is worse.

I need to strengthen my bones some. Low calcium content is why my Lumbar #1 broke. One Doc wants me to go on Fosamax but I don't want all the side effects of that crap. Walking more and more active all around now and losing weight. I'll check out the Testosterone advice and have my blood values checked. Might help me in a lot of ways if I'm OK'd to take it.

Weight loss is key, as JYL stated posts ago.

That and move, every day.

Seriously? I read that the side effect can be nasty. :confused:

Yes Lad start hitting the Testo.....but be aware that it is the Testo that turns on Men as they age and causes Prostate Cancer...That is why the older you get the more chance you got it. Maybe that is natures way of thining the old bulls out the herd for the new young bucks..

Or as Pete Townsend once said ...."The old men got all the money."

The liver is evil and must be punished!

As far as "staying power" my wife and I are pretty evenly matched, we "finish" about the same time and fall asleep... not sure I want to mess with that. ;)

Don't tell me now, let me guess..You were a stunt double for Evil Knevil...

Yep youth thinks it is indestructable..Problem is that as ya get over that certain age U have to recognize that you don't have the same physical abilities nor ability to work as long nor as hard as ya used to....You have to PACE yer self...realize you have to go a bit slower and work smarter. If ya don't the old Ticker stops ticking...SUDDENLY..

The undeniable fact of life is that the older you get the less of the herd that grew up around you is still standing. That thining of the herd is a grevious process that puts untold amounts of stress on ya....and it can and does take its toll. Mostly as the long trusted support is now gone, and the newbies just don't have the depth of knowledge gained over time. As the Johnny Cash cover of "Hurt" says, "Eventually everybody goes away."

At 64 I feel every twisted knee/ heavy hit I ever took. There is no option but to suck it up & keep on going. I refuse to not do that which I wish to do- within reason.

jyl - some sort of contact is needed for bone density - aerobic bicycling is not enuff


now, search up that old age is not for sissies poster


:D

That it causes cnacer in everything I have read says no. And if your using testo for muscle growth and not a controlled replacement therapy then you are going to have problems.



Appropriate use of testosterone can prevent or reduce the likelihood of osteoporosis, type 2 diabetes, cardio-vascular disease (CVD), obesity, depression and anxiety and the risk of early mortality.(7) Health benefits include positive effects on mood, energy levels, verbal fluency, strength, increased muscle size, decreased body fat and increased bone density.(2-27) Testosterone restores and enhances male libido, and is a treatment for male sexual dysfunction.(33)

The 2007 EPIC study concluded that testosterone level is inversely related to cardiovascular disease risk and all-cause mortality. Thus, low testosterone may be a marker for increased risk of cardiovascular disease.(35)

Low Testosterone levels is also linked to reduced cognitive performance and onset of Alzheimers in elderly men.
Harvard researchers have clearly shown that testosterone therapy does not increase the risk of prostate cancer. A team of researchers, led by Dr. Abraham Morgentaler, came to the conclusion that the medical establishment was wrong in suggesting that testosterone replacement therapy increases the risk of prostate cancer.

As a matter of fact, what the researchers actually found might surprise you. Dr. Morgentaler’s team meticulously showed that low testosterone actually increased the risk of prostate cancer. Go figure.

In one of their studies,1 they compared the results of testosterone therapy given for 12 months in two groups of men with low testosterone. The first group consisted of 20 men considered to be at high risk for prostate cancer based on biopsy results showing an allegedly precancerous condition called prostatic intraepithelial neoplasia (PIN).

The second group consisted of 55 men with normal biopsy results. At the end of one year of treatment, both groups had a similar, modest increase in PSA. One man in the study, who was in the high-risk group, developed cancer.

So, overall testosterone therapy resulted in a one-year cancer rate of 1.3% (one of 75 men). More importantly, the one-year cancer rate among the high-risk men with PIN was 5%. Keep in mind that the known cancer rate of men at high risk for developing cancer is 25% over three years. As you can see, testosterone therapy did not increase the risk of prostate cancer in anyone, including the men that were at high risk.

Cliff,
You're never going to make it to my age at this rate...

I find this hard to accept. Being a topical there would be no significant systemic absorption. Unless it is purposefully enhanced for absorption but then its topical efficacy would be diminished.

Old age is paying for all the dumb ass things you did when you were young.

I was asking a question there. I find it hard to believe that foot powder would be this kind of risk...

Ok, let's lighten this up a bit...

50 yr old man walks in to a pharmacy and asks the druggist if he has anything to aid his "performance".
The pharmacist says he needs a prescription for something like that.
The man says he accidentally made a date with two women for the same night and he needs something to keep him going.
The sympathetic pharmacist says "I shouldn't do this, but here is one Viagra and one Cialis tablet, on the house. Good luck tonight!"

50 yr old man comes back the next day and asks the pharmacist where the BenGay cream is.
Druggist asks him what he needs it for.
Man drops his pants and shows him his red, abused member.
Druggist exclaims "you're NOT going to put BenGay on that are you???!!!"


Man says hell no. It's for his sore arm. The girls didn't show up last night. :eek:


Party on gents. SmileWavy

Uh, no. Lay off the knee for a few days, and don't strain it on stairs or anything like that.


Get older, get smarter.

+ a bunch

As a Youth, I was indestructible, it wasn't until after 30 that my indestructibly vanished & I became human.. ;)
sad thing is, with all the hi cardio & lung sports I participated in, most of my life (and never doing drugs or smoking cigs) I never expected to have the heart & lung issues I'm currently dealing with, but I refuse to lay down & die, I would rather that happen on a bike ride..http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1343702652.jpg

Even though it isn't green, I read this as sarcasm...:confused: If it's not, I'm bummed as I laughed about it all day.:(

Tabs, NOPE! 3 on a Motorcyle, 4 in a Race Kart, 1 on a bicycle, 1 on a FRICKEN MOON BOUNCE! 1 rolling off a trundle bed to the next bed and onto the floor, 1 running and twisted my ankle in a hole, The tailbone? I went for a MTB ride an ended up at a park with a 20' slide with a couple woop de do's on it. I was in Lycra cycling shorts and the polished slide! HERE! hold ma BEER! hit the first woop flew ober the second and landed on the edge of the slide! axe cushion for 4 months!

man..getting old isnt fun
 

because you get to learn big new words like, colonoscopy :eek:

Sheesh.
I guess i am fortunate.
58, still going strong.
I have ridden the mountain bike(offroad) for 20 plus years - broken shoulder, ankle, broken wrist.
2 broken legs from 2 auto accidents - different legs.
Broken arm playing sports.
No real pains, still going strong.

Words I try to live by & for my money, the best advice for us guys sliding into our autumnal Years. That & the occasional shot of a good single malt.

Cheers
JB

You guys are making me glad I sat around smoking pot and drinking beer until I was 25. At 53 my body still works great for whatever I want to do, especially sitting around smoking pot and drinking beer.

No sacrcasm here
 

No sarcasm Pavulon. My point is strive to be fit & health as you age. I would rather be fit, strong & mentality capable in old age. You don't get there sitting on your a$$. And of course there are no guarantees and we cannot control randomness, but if I make it to 80 or 90 I am doing what I can to be the best me possible. SmileWavy

It's an old study, and newer info may be available, but in 1999 they were saying this about DHEA:

In middle-aged men, no statistically significant effect of DHEA supplementation on lean body mass, strength, or testosterone levels was found in a randomized placebo-controlled trial.

Wallace, M. B.; Lim, J.; Cutler, A.; Bucci, L. (1999). "Effects of dehydroepiandrosterone vs androstenedione supplementation in men". Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise 31 (12): 1788–92.

Tell me more about this. What sort of contact? I assume laying on the couch watching F1 is not sufficient. How about yoga, isometrics, pushups/crunches? Or does it have to be hard core stuff like running (EVIL)?

Then I guess the placebo effect works!