i'd make him(mr roo) into a pair of kawboy boots or a hat!


heres the way this CCW crap works in reality. pups at tender ages have watched wayyy toooo much TV and movies glorifying spoon battles.


well real life(reality) when yer shot..............ya dont usually get up and show up in the movie an hour later all healed.


reality is gunshots are ugly,they do hurt and they DO CAUSE PERMANENT DEATH!


when i was young 21 and legal age to buy and possess firearms i started going out and buying spoons. i carried openly when i could because we could. it was a very rural community with no crime. if we went horsey back riding,fishing,dirty biking or obviously hunting. i then thru coincidence spun off into aerospace machine tools after my 10 years in phx at garrett corp and in L.A.


after experiencing all the crap in L.A. with the culmanation of my next door neighbor murdered on my doorstep, 10 days later we quit our jobs and moved back. got new jobs back here in az.


then........after my dad died i moved to the house i am sitting in as i write. 26 years in the samo dump. well years back one morning 6am i'm awoken by helos overhead, i have the lokal bubble headed bleach blonde news reporter(really) in my face with a camera and a microphone , after an extreme long night drinking billions of beers and working on dirty bikes standing in my boxers. she started asking me questions about the murder to the west of my property in vacant dezert. with my hair sideways, beer breath, standing in my boxers, i told her, "no i know nothing about the murder and please remove yerself from my private property. scads of cops everywhere looking for evidence driving up and down.

well we made some calls and found out it was our babysitters daughters best friend who had been shot 400yds from my house.


well with L.A. fresh in my memory, and "thinking" moving to B.F.E. i was getting away from any crime...............not working, i signed up for my AZCCW. and passed with flying colors.

and ever since then, because i am fed up with crime, I CARRY CONCEALED ANYWHERE I GO! and if theres a no spoons sign........i dont frequent the biz unless absolutely needed and comply with law and remove spoon for my duration there.

i know for a fact, living in a rural area the cops are 20-45 minutes away, i live in the county not a city. with the influx of illegal aliens crime did go up, throw in cartel crap and it skews the numbers of average crime.

i have never read arizona has the highest murder rate. because anyone in his right mind knows everyone is armed and concealed. with the introduction of SB 1070 and illegals being forced to move back to messiko, crime has gone down a lot. hmmmm cause and effect.

but the point i'm trying to get at, is when ya get older, ya just want less hassle. thats plain and simple.

and getting robbed or murdered is a BIG HASSLE that just crosses the grain wrong and chaps my hide.

and it aint happening here in my lil nobody world. realize quickly son that PEOPLE ARE NO DAMN GOOD! and crime IS EVERYWHERE. and the only one thats gonna stop it is YOU!

i'll show yer "roo" and raise ya an ELK!

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Yep, those gun laws in Chicago really work.
Boys & their Guns...
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wow the windy city sure isnt figuring this poo out are they????

That's entirely fine - you have every right to do as you please. Just respect my right to do as I please as well, and it's all good.

I think gramps was as much defending himself as anything else. If there is some "collateral defense" (I just made that up...:D) as a result of gramps feeling threatened and defending himself, I suppose his "victims" will just have to "live" with that.

No, you are either misreading or intentionally putting words in my mouth. I said nothing of the kind. I said you are more likely (far more likely, statistically) to fall victim of a violent attack in Australia than I am here in the U.S. That is a fact borne out by your country's violent crime rates when compared to ours. "Violent" does not automatically equate to "gun". We have discussed that at lengh already, on this very thread (beginning with Stijn's comments).

I would not expect you to be aware of this, but our once proud CDC has degenerated into a political shill for gun control. Guns and gun violence fall well outside of their charter as the Center for Disease Control. Gun violence is not a "disease" any more than car accidents are a "disease". They have lost all credibility as an objective source on anything anymore. They have allowed politics to infect their discourse; not just on gun control, but many other highly politicized "diseases".

Their raw numbers include those shot by law enforcement officers. Their raw numbers also have no way of capturing the socio-economic and racial profiles of those shooting and being shot. America has a very severe gang problem, a minority gang problem, fueled by the illicit drug trade on one end and abject poverty on the other. These people seem to like to "solve" their problems by shooting one another. The rest of us don't do that. The demographic that does tends to wildly skew the numbers. Organizations like the CDC love to use those numbers to push their political agendas of gun control, consciously avoiding the bigger issues of the "who" and "why" and focusing on the object - the gun. We need to address our gang problem, along with our illegal drug problem, not our "gun problem". Because there simply isn't one outside of those other two, larger problems.

And therein lies the problem. If they live. Gramps just reached for his gun and started shooting. He ran straight towards the kid. And when you've almost emptied a friggin' clip and the guy can still get up and run...wtf were you shooting at?? And then he shoots out the friggin door where the bullet can richocet and end up who knows where...Sorry, if you can't take down a perp with a double tap at point blank......

I thought we had moved beyond the discussion of this single incident and were on to bigger things, like the right to self defense. Yes, we can Monday morning quarterback any given single incident (PPOT clearly excels at this...), but the over-arching principles behind these incidents are the real meat and potatoes of this discussion. Bottom line is, each and every one of us has an unassailable right to defend ourselves. No one, no authority, no government, can morally deny us that right. The handgun remains the most effective, most viable means for us to be able to exercise that right.

To briefly follow you line of argument for a moment, how about this - you seem fixated on the possibility of it all going wrong. Honest, well intentioned, legally armed citizen deploys his or her sidearm in defense of themselves or others, and it all goes to hell in a handbasket, with innocent people getting hurt or killed instead of the armed criminal. This is pretty much the gist of your argument, isn't it, that there is a very real possibility of this? Well then, show me some statistics that illuminate just how often this happens. Show me some cases where this has happened. Now, mind you, I'm not saying it doesn't - I would just like to see if it is a serious enough problem to where one could base an entire anti-gun agenda on it. I suspect I know the answer, but maybe you can surprise me.

we were always taught to STOP THE THREAT(bad guy/girl with spoon).


so ya aim at the bad guy/girl with spoon and NOT grandma with berry pie in hands,and stop the threat until over.


thats pretty simple stuff.


if ya dont have a clear shot.............you wait until clear shot presents itself.