And you pussies are so scared of your own shadow you can't leave the house without a gun.

He has a point there.

Some of us aren't possessed of the all-powerful pimp-slap.

All the gun worshippers here have one thing in common: They are the useful idiots for the gun manufacturers and prolifertion industry. Their plan is to arm everybody in America, criminals and non-criminals. Actually that could be a Rebublican dream come true: Then the country does not have to spend any money on police and courts anymore. Let's have shoot-outs on mainstreet as an everyday entertainment. Just as in the Hollywood westerns. Who will then be the new Clint Eastwood? Any volunteers?

Not irrational (drunk more like it), just does'nt like the truth. He just can't wait for the day when he can be the judge, jury and excutioner and if an innocent gets in the way, oh well, at least the bad guy got what he deserved right.

As everybody can see anytime guns are discussed here it turns into politics. That is why gun stories belong on PARF, the right place to discuss Guns, Gods, and Government.

That is some of the most mindless leftist pablum you've ever posted here... none of it based on any kind of facts or rational thought.

porwolf, you are definitely circling the drain.

Are you a college graduate? If so, did your profs spoon feed you this stuff, or did you get it from Democratic Underground or DailyKOS... or both?

What did you get spoon fed in college and where did you go, just curious?

LOL! Post of the year right there.

I think someone here tends to post drunk a lot.

How about for assault with a deadly weapon?

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Great post! You could be talking about many Americans also.

No, we argued over the Boeing deal because you made erroneous statements you could not back up, and I called you on them. You all but called me a "liar" in that thread, and finally wound up posting all kinds of lame, conspiracy theory excuses for why you could not get the information you needed from your sources to back up your statements. You swore you would "publicly humiliate me" when you got that information, so you were told to put up or shut up. In the end, you could bring yourself to do neither, and tried to convince us that there was some conspiracy to hide the truth, and that everyone was afraid to talk. It never occured to you that you were mistaken, that the information you thought was there never existed; or if any of that did occur to you, you were just too damn stubborn to admit it. Stubborn ignorance is never pretty, Zeke. Just like in this gun debate.

I guess it is all great good fun to post glib rhetoric, sit back, pat one's self on the back, thinking "I sure showed him". Especially when your equally missguided cohorts chime in with support (cowering pussies unite!).

Dewolf, Porwolf, wdfifteen, jyl dressed for a night on the town:

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The fact remains, self defense is one of the most fundemental of human rights and obligations. You guys can go ahead and cower and shiver, hoping that day will never come for you, but many of us choose to be pro-active instead. Please don't try to foist your cowering pussy way of life on us.

Porwolf has now been asked in several threads, on several occasions (by myself and others) to present his "plan". I have yet to see it. Like the rest of these simple minded fools, his "plan" appears to be no more than "take the guns away and it will all be better". How childishly simple (minded). We are still waiting for a real plan, Porwolf.

And, again, we see how the simplistic "just take them away" has worked down under. Violent crime in Australia is well and truly off the charts, with an absolutely stunning rate of growth in the years since most Aussies had to turn in most guns. We covered this at length in PARF within the last year, including how it has become bad enough to where the Aussie government began cooking the books, removing several types of violent crime from the tally in an effort to make it all not look quite so bad. Pretty sad, really, that their cowering pussies have won, and now can't even bring themselves to deal honestly with the fruits of their "victory".

So, by all means, you guys carry on with your commitment to deny yourselves the means to protect yourselves and your loved ones. Cook your books to make yourselves feel safer. Whatever it takes to not have to consider the unpleasant reality that we have violent criminals walking among us, who can and will strike any of us at any time. Try to claim that those of us who reasonably prepare to deal with them should they ever cross our paths "...(you pussies) are so scared of your own shadow you can't leave the house without a gun" if it makes you feel better about your decision to be an unprepared victim. I honestly, fervently hope none of us ever face a violent criminal bent on our harm, but at least I know what my response will be. It won't include cowering, snivelling, and hoping he will go away - to victimize yet another.

bottom BOTTOMLINE to ccw or non ccw.....................


IF YOU OR ME ARE IN FEAR OF YER LIFE YOU MAY BY LAW USE DEADLY FORCE TO CEASE THE THREAT!


BULLETS FLYING OVER MY HEAD WITH TREE BRANCHES AND LEAVES FALLING ON TO OUR HEADS ...........................PUTS ME IN FEAR OF OUR LIVES! PERIOD!



does not matter if bad guy is armed or NOT!


bad guy comes flying into my hanger right this instant BARE HANDED, yelling "im a gonna kick yer azz, im a gonna kill you, im a gonna feek you up!"....................he WILL BE RIDDLED WITH BULLETS! END OF SUBJECT.



thats the LAW in ALL 50 states. "if YOU ARE IN FEAR OF YER LIFE!" doesnt matter if bad guy is a freeking 3ft dwarf, or a 6'8" 300# dude or dudette.


bare hands

knife

butter knife

wrench

crowbar

koala

squirrel

gun(long or short)

pellet pistol

pellet rifle

bow and arrow

lance

bowl of jello



it doesnt MATTER....................IF YOU ARE IN FEAR OF YER LIFE!



i hope to gawd i never go thru my 2 incidents of being shot at(hunting/and campground examples). but i will be prepared, and I WILL SHOOT TO KILL and CONTINUE SHOOTING UNTIL THREAT IS GONE OVER DEAD WASTED TOAST MUNG PIE!


nobody KNOWS what the HELL their gonna do in an incident. the only way you can even get close to what its like is BY TRAINING OVER AND OVER!



paranoid???? not even. every morning as mentioned previously i take my HK 9mm robar USP compact or HK USP fullsize .45 and remove HK UTL light, rack slide back, clear chamber, reload mag with that round, check chamber again to be SURE ITS EMPTY, and then holster and go out the door to work or play.


when i come home, i remove spoon, hook HK UTL light back on, rack round in, place on head stand.


REPEAT day after day, night after night.



practice practice practice when i find time.



shoot 200rds of .22 downrange and see how good ya get. shove 500 rds downrange of .22 pistol and see how good ya get. shove a 1000 rds of .22 downrange, and i guurrantee you will become a marksman in no time. do it over and over. enter matches. train with what yer gonna use. 9mm 40 45 .38/.357/.44 doesnt matter. do this and i promise YOU WILL KNOW WHAT TO DO when the POO GOES DOWN!


basic rules to stay alive by:


1) seek cover ASAP..........you are WORTHLESS if YOU GET SHOT!

2) I.D. THREAT

3) WAIT FOR CLEAR TARGET TO PRESENT ITSELF!

4) SHOOT TO KILL! double tap chest,double tap head,double tap chest, if bad guy NOT DOWN,shoot below waist as more than likely bad guy has body armor and try to incapacitate by hitting femoral artery.

5) continue SHOOTING UNTIL THREAT GONE!

6) call yer lawyer 1st(number in cell or wallet) tell him what happened.

7) call cops. tell them NOTHING UNTIL LAWYER ARRIVES!

directly from AZCCW.

Keep an eye on the seat depth of that top round my friend...every time it crashes into the feed ramp there's a bit of set back. You can get some funky high pressures on that first shot that way.

That's a logical argument. We should totally wait until the gun yielding bad guy actually puts a bullet in someone's head before reacting. I applaud your creativity.

hey thanks. we were trained to every week:

1) remove spoon from holster

2) rack slide,clear rds, drop mag.

3) empty mag, then blow with air any crud.

4) refill mag with rds.

5) blow air thru spoon any crud from lint to dust etc.

6) blow holster with compressed air to clear any crud.

7) when bored...............i Q-TIP the damn thing clean............ONCE A WEEK!


once ya ROBAR something................yer hooked for life at ease of maintenance.

oh and heres another DAMN GOOD REASON TO CARRY EMPTY in a semi auto.........


aside from my active lifestyle and work efforts, to avoid an AD getting in/out of various thangs in a day or a night.


if yer ever involved in a LEGAL HOMICIDE, one of the points to make IF it comes to a jury trial(criminal/civil), is THAT YER WEAPON WAS NOT CONDITION RED WITH ROUND IN PIPE! that(CONDITION RED) "might" indicate to jury yer a blood thirsty bastid looking for a fight. by indicating YOU HAD TO RACK SLIDE, DROP SAFETY, THEN FIRE, IS A CLEAR CUT MESSAGE TO JURY THAT YER NOT SOME GOOFY AZZ'D GUN NUT!


along with carrying EXACT SAME RDS AS YER LOKAL COPS CARRY! instead of WAMMO BLAMMO BUNKER BUSTER TRACER RDS WITH EXPLODING HOLLOWPOINTS AND CURARE INSTALLED WITH CANDLE WAX INSIDE HOLLOWPOINT. then...............yer A GUN NUT!

And while we are doing that, in wild west fashion, you get to play the roll of the meek farmer who always has to turn to the gun slinger when the bad guy decides have his way with your property and family.
If you actually feel safe relying on the cops to keep you and yours safe you are very much out of touch with reality simply based on the amount of time it takes to commit a crime, the response time of law enforcement, etc.
I am not bashing law enforcement in any way so don't anybody twist my words into thinking I am saying that. It is a fact of numbers and space.
I also don't like the fact that you feel the right to be able to call me an idiot when in fact you do not know me in any way shape or form. I doubt very seriously you would be so bold as to do that to my face.

Liquid silver nitrate works well, not that I would ever do something like that. Actually I won't but I did it playing around one day and the results were rather entertaining.