I claim BS in one of my classes. - Page 2

John Rogers · 09-07-2012, 08:24 PM

In reality most anything could be made w/o screws. Tabs or mating slots with bent edges to connect pieces. The CD changer I have in my truck is built this way and even the circuit boards have slots that fit over fit over pliable tabs and they are bent which I imagine take less time and effort to complete. The outer case snaps together with two shells and no screws?

Witness the valve covers I used to have on my 1969 Z28 that always leaked and had 4 screws/bolts each and the valve covers on my 914-4 that used a clip and never leaked!

Joe Bob · Joe Bob's Garage

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Originally Posted by andrew15

Why don't you e-mail the author?

There's the possibility that it was just a design study and never made it into production

It's also possible that it was only marketed in some areas with smaller machines - North American machines are way bigger than the ones you find in some Asian countries.

I have.....will report back. I just get irked when people make claims that aren't backed up.

GWN7 · 09-07-2012, 10:00 PM

Last washer I scrapped had very few screws in it. The back and top were held on by just two screws. The back screwed in to the top which was held by the sides. The motor only had one bolt. Very few fastners of any kind. The owner had left water in it and black mold had developed. I pulled the motor out and the copper wire. Recycled the rest.

black73 · 09-08-2012, 05:59 AM

JB's obsession with screwing is getting the better of him.

sammyg2 · 09-09-2012, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe Bob

It's an Env Social Marketing class. DfE is 'Design for Environment'.

The texts are taken like the Bible by some students. My BS claim is based on the fact that I can't see any way to back it up on any search. The statement is ambiguous and can be taken many ways.

The design of 'six screws" is supposed to facilitate tear down for recycling at End of Life of the unit and/or repair. I see it as a six fasteners that get you to the main guts.

Trivial but inherently an issue to claims of just 'six screws' in itself....

As you know when working on your car.....using one wrench is a lot easier than five to open up access for repair. Also, at least for Hitachi, assembly, service and stocking of parts is easier. A blanket statement such as in the book is misleading. It irks my motorheaded senses.

LOL you enrolled in a class that could and should be called "lies from the (opposite of right)" and you are bothered when they don't tell the truth?

RWebb · RWebb's Garage

try to turn all your time and research on this into a special topics class or individual study and get credit for it

johnsjmc · 01:25 PM

The engine in the 911 is only held in by 6 bolts so why not a washing machine ?
2 motor mounts and 4 at the bellhousing. The rest is just for secondary systems
Or maybe the engine and trans are just held in by 4 bolts thru the mounts.
all about definitions I guess.

Zeke · 09-09-2012, 02:41 PM

@johnsjmc, good thought. I'd go with the 4 idea. Or the VW with 4 at the bell housing and nothing out back. But.....my chevy truck motor/trans is held in with 3!!

pavulon · 09-09-2012, 04:24 PM

maybe it's not a clothes washing machine.

spuggy · 09-09-2012, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by car 311

i just last week was investigating a strange noise from my drier and in doing so I had to disassemble the shell. it is not a hitachi, but i was surprised that the top area popped up with no screws at all. the front cover had two screws up high that were easy to get to, and that was it. the whole front dropped off and i found my issue. so i can believe to some extent that the outer shell could only require 6 screws. seems that it makes them more DIY, but also saves time for techs to do paid for repairs.

Ha! I had to change a belt in a drier last year. Two screws to swing the control panel out of the way, two screws in the lint filter to release the top, two screws to remove the front cover and it's all right there. If you don't replace the roller/tensioner assemblies (I did, they were noisy from 3 months old), that's all you need.

Trouble is, my previous experience with appliances 30 years ago led me to believe that removing the back cover was the way in - I didn't find out the above until I googled it in exasperation, after having spent nearly two hours trying to get the back cover off - before concluding that it wasn't just a PITA, that it actually couldn't be done from outside (there were bolts inside that you just couldn't reach holding the back cover to the frame).

There's a lot more than 6 screws holding a Kenmore together, let me tell ya...