Busted twice in one day by the red light camera
 

Well I've been driving in Colorado for 20 years and must have forgotten that you have to stop before making a turn on a red light. I must be getting senile or something because I had to look up the law.

I own a check cashing store at the top of this intersection and I was driving to the hardware store around the corner to get something. In fact I drove to the hardware store TWICE and they got me both times.

I now owe $150 to the city, ($75 each incident) and possibly more coming in the mail. This was on 8/25 so I probably have about six more tickets coming to me. So Colorado drivers, be careful!

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What's the most current story in Denver re: "Personal Service" of Speed cam and Red light tickets? I hear a different story every time.

No idea, the "tickets" mailed to me each have different officers names on them. Supposedly they review the tickets and decide which ones are going to generate revenue.. err I mean which person was breaking the law.

It says to sign the back if I wish to appear in court, and of course it's not worth it to me to go to court over $153 so they can then show me the video of me breaking the law.
I suppose if I cared a bit more I would find a way to fight it.

I paid one I got a few years ago. Red light with the video. I think where I (and you) screwed up is that we watched the video link they sent us in the citation. I'm sure they can tell we went to the site and punched in our personal number on the ticket. To me, this is an acknowledgement that we received the "service."

Jesse

Son of a! I didn't think about that, I have a family full of lawyers and didn't think to call any of them before I put my citation and pin code in.

I'm sorry that you have to pay all those tickets but how could you not know that you have to stop first at a red light before making a right on red?? That sounds almost unbelievable. Did you also never notice that there is a red light camera at this corner?

I admit, I just somehow forgot about the law, or I never knew it to begin with. I've actually never had a ticket before this, so it's likely I've been doing this all my life and just finally got caught by the camera.

I was vaguely aware that they had installed the cameras, I mean I've seen the flash go off before when people ran the light. It's entirely my fault, really. I would like to pay only one citation, or possibly have the option to perform community service instead but it is what it is I suppose.

I know! I didn't think of it either. I wanted to see the video. It was of my then eight year old daughter and I returning from a Club event in my 70 E. We were both giggling about something and I thought it was adorable.

Only as I watched it after punching in the something like twelve digit number did I realize I had cooked my own goose.

I've ignored a bunch of speed radar tickets to no ill effect.

Jesse

Are there any of these signs around town?

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Are they at every intersection?

If not, how are visitors supposed to know?

Paint ball gun. or Silenced .22

lol, bastard.

Does the ticket go with the car or the driver...if it were, say, your wife, how would that camera know?

I also don't think looking at the video is necessarily admission of guilt...how about "I looked at the video because I hadn't been driving my car that day, and that wasn't me driving"

Goes with the car according to the citation, and they have about five shots of me driving all in very good detail.

Bsurf: the resolution is unbelievable. Unless Scott had on a bandana, it's him and it's clear.

Jesse

I'm with Speeder, basic driver's ed. Red means stop.

I may as well have been waving to the camera.

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Ya just gotta stay out of Aurora! Buckley and Iliff? Yeah, just saw it on the picture. I know that intersection.

Jesse

One more time...

Are there any RIGHT ON RED AFTER STOP signs around town?

No. In Colorado, there's

NO sign at all,

or there's a

"No right on Red" sign.


Most red light cameras here go off for ANY car that touches the curb line. This is the first time I've seen a video, though.

I'm going that direction tomorrow and will check. I don't recall currently, but clearly my memory is not very good to begin with.

google the red light tickets issue in your area. i bet someone is figuring out a way to avoid that fine.

Judi got one here in california and the key was not to respond in any fashion to the citation.

if you didnt respond the local pd had to find you and hand deliver to make it stick.

Stop signs are confusing also. I got three citations yesterday afternoon from the same cop. He was following me, I came to a stop sign and stopped. The cop ticketed me for obstructing traffic. Same thing happened for two more stop signs.

Should I fight the tickets? NONE of the stop signs said. "then go."

It's payback for being a freakin' loan shark :). Those "revenue generation devices" are now ancient history around here. Here, they were technically "minicipal fines", and not tied to the DMV, points on your license, insurance, etc. so many (myself included) just told 'em to F-off, and they eventually did. I received phone calls for a couple of years from the collection agency they turned it over to: "Yeah, that was me, and I'm not paying"....the stammering (or silence) was golden. I'm at the point that I couldn't give a rip about my exceptional credit rating (not a blemish ever), and in fact, it never did show up at any of the three agencies. Cameras eventually disappeared on legal grounds...YMMV

I've NEVER turned right on red at a camera controlled intersection. I just don't trust them - yes I've been honked at and yelled at but I don't give a damn, the impatient person behind me won't be the one going through the grief of trying to fight a ticket against a nameless accuser if the thing decides to snap me "running" the intersection (even stopping and then making a legal RH turn). At that point your only recourse would be to contest it and I always figured it'd go something like this:

Judge: So what happened
Me: I stopped, looked and then made a legal right hand turn
Judge: But the camera picture shows you running the light - how do I know for a fact that you stopped and properly followed the law requiring you to make a full stop prior to the stop line?
Me: I guess you don't
Judge: That's right, sorry but the only available evidence (photograph) compels me to uphold the fine - you can pay over there

See what I mean?

Frankly if enough people do that and get pissed off that traffic is snarling up at intersections because of these stupid things, maybe there will be enough of a public outcry to get them pulled out. I'm certainly not going to give Johnny Law an "easy one" to nail me with.

I'm REALLY happy that there are no traffic lights at all near where I live (I pass four stop signs on my way to the train station and that's it), although there's talk that they might start getting installed in Boston (where I work) and in several surrounding suburban communities. All the more reason I'll never give up my house in the country and stick to riding the trains. I don't drive into the city unless there's literally no other alternative. Too much B.S. to deal with between traffic, parking, idiot drivers and now crap like this - I don't miss urban living at all. It seemed like practically every single intersection had cameras back when I lived in SoCal and I don't miss them one bit. I hope they don't migrate eastward to cities on this coast but it's probably inevitable - all the crap seems to eventually leech its way from L.A. and infect the rest of the country.

I was tagged for a right on red at a red light camera a few years back.

Get one of the new Escort Radar units with Escort live. They have the country mapped for red-light cameras. There are other advantages too.

I don't know of any state that a right turn on a red light is permitted without stopping first. You at least slowed down for the corner.

You have dodged tickets, cars and yours or someone else's life for years.

It is a basic law.

The sign stating, no turn on Red is the exception, not the norm.

Pay up.

Does it just beep at me when I'm coming to the intersection? I think I need this if so just to remind me to do the right thing.

We got rid of red light cameras in most -- if not all -- municipalities in California. I have mixed feelings about it because we have a huge problem in LA with left turning drivers running red lights.

But something new has been added to CA law -- at least to my knowledge -- your car has to be stationary for a count of 3 seconds before you are considered to be legally stopped. Worth researching in other states...

No. Voice ("Red light camera, ahead.") and then a visual countdown to the the location in feet on the radar detector. When you get within a 100 feet or so, it goes voice again ("You have reached your marked location.").

If you have a Smartphone (Android or iPhone), they have the Escort Live option. The radar detector connects to the internet and puts up your radar signals. You are also alerted to radar detected by others in the past hour or so.

The alerts are also mapped out on Google maps in the application. It also has a database of the speed limits of the roads you are using and will alert you when you exceed the speed limit. It also has a button to press if you see a cop, without the radar detector going off, marking the location for others.

The red light camera stuff is built into the radar detector and you can update it by connecting the radar detector to your computer. The Escort Live is an add on, but you also have to pay a monthly fee for the online service.

Waiting to hear if my father got any Red Light tickets from me driving his Mini in Centenial six weeks ago. I'm guessing not. I hate the revenue generating POS cameras.

people do that around here all the time. no clue, or don't care. no effort to slow down at all.

Still have them down in San Juan Capistrano. I've seen them in other OC locations, too.

My Escort 9500ix is great for alerting cameras coming up. I got flashed in CO Springs once and I didn't go through the red light. I stopped, but suspect I was a few inches forward of the line, so the camera flashed twice. I think they didn't send me a ticket because I hadn't moved at all between the two photos.

BTW, in AZ you can turn right on red from the center lane, which takes some getting used to.

Maybe it's time to review the Driver's Handbook, front to back.

Yes it is.

Yeah, this ^^^. I keep revisiting this strange thread because I just can't freaking believe it. I cannot believe that you did not know that you have to stop at a red light. I'm wondering if there are any other basic rules of the road you do not know.

I could understand the thread if you'd said that you were cheating a little and rolled through the red light w/o stopping and turned right because the coast was clear and visibility was excellent. I've done that. But to claim that you did not know that you had to stop and ran a camera light 6 times in one day makes this one of the strangest thread I've seen here. And that's saying a lot. :cool:

Where? Thanks!

Thick on Del Obispo.

This really happened?