Need advice

[Paul K]

All:

Wife & I plan to retire to the U.S. Virgin Islands in ~10 years. Seems to me, the perfect vehicle down there would be RHD (because they drive on the other side of the road) relatively short wheelbase, turbo diesel, automatic & fairly tall for visibility.

As I see it, there are two options. 25 year old models of both could be imported in RHD from the UK for ~$20k.

Option 1. Land Rover 90 Station wagon;



Pros: Relatively simple, easy to work on. Aluminium body. Seat 7 (for airport runs). Rough & ready so it doesn't matter if we get in covered with sand/mud/soaking wet. Removable top.

Cons: Relatively high maintenance, noisy, hard to source parts. AC would have to be retrofitted.

Option 2. Mercedes Benz G-Wagon SWB;



Pros: Smooth, quiet, better built. AC standard.

Cons: 'Delicate' interior, spendy parts, only seats 4, top fixed.

Thoughts?

Cheers,

Paul.

[HHI944]

Go Landy! The AC retrofit isn't very difficult or expensive overall and they are beasts......just don't go with an early diesel. They had serious problems. Outside of those, defenders are absolute beasts and pretty easy to work on. When you make a decision, pm me. I have a friend who imports quite a few and could help you out.

[Paul K]

HHI944:

If I go with the Landy option, it'll have either the 200Tdi or 300 Tdi.

Thanks for the offer of help!

Paul.

[vash]

toyota Diesel hilux not on the table?

[Paul K]

Originally Posted by vash

toyota Diesel hilux not on the table?

I don't want a pickup, but an Aussie-style Land Cruiser might work. Problem is, importing from Australia is super spendy. I also considered the diesel Mitsubishi Montero SWB. Frankly, I was set on the Rover until I watched the latest episode of 'Wheeler Dealers'.

[porsche4life]

I'mma think outside the box....

VW thing....

[porsche4life]

Originally Posted by Paul K

I don't want a pickup,

Dude, put a nice shell on it, and its as good as an SUV, except your cargo area is sealed off from the cab, and a bit tougher....

[Paul K]

Originally Posted by porsche4life

Dude, put a nice shell on it, and its as good as an SUV, except your cargo area is sealed off from the cab, and a bit tougher....

We really need something that will carry at least 4 people, as the other rig we're taking is the wife's Mini. Plus a canopy really restricts your rear visibility. a quad cab would be too long.

VW thing- too similar to the wife's Mini, plus I fear it would rust away to nothing!

I also considered a RHD Range Rover classic diesel, but my wife told me that if I ever buy another Range Rover, I'd better be prepared to live in it...

[vash]

a Hilux is very "vanilla" compared to your two choices..but they are very very nice. and super durable from all the guys i talked to in southeast asia..everyone runs one over there.

[Joeaksa]

Gelandewagon.... hands down.

[HHI944]

Originally Posted by Paul K

HHI944:

If I go with the Landy option, it'll have either the 200Tdi or 300 Tdi.

Thanks for the offer of help!

Paul.

Both of those engines are fine, it's just the early 2.7l diesel that had a slew of failure issues. Like I said, drop me a pm if that's the way you go, he brings in everything from exactly what you're looking for to complete frame off rebuild/highly modified stuff.

[HHI944]

Originally Posted by Paul K

We really need something that will carry at least 4 people, as the other rig we're taking is the wife's Mini. Plus a canopy really restricts your rear visibility. a quad cab would be too long.

VW thing- too similar to the wife's Mini, plus I fear it would rust away to nothing!

I also considered a RHD Range Rover classic diesel, but my wife told me that if I ever buy another Range Rover, I'd better be prepared to live in it...

I wouldn't mind one of the early 2 door RR's, but yeah, the classic/county line had its problems and the p38 was nothing short of a basket case/money pit truck....

[Tishabet]

Can't go wrong with either one IMHO, though personally I have a weakness for the land rover. Any reason not to consider a 110 instead of the 90? Also, have you really vetted out the import bit? I have been keeping a close eye on the land rover market here in Malaysia in anticipation of my permanent return to the US later this year, and had been thinking I would pick up a mid 80s 110 but I am spooked by the importing process... Defenders are a lot cheaper here than in the US, same deal as in Europe.

[cmccuist]

Why the stipulation for RHD? Almost all the cars in the USVI are LHD.

[Noah930]

Originally Posted by cmccuist

Why the stipulation for RHD? Almost all the cars in the USVI are LHD.

That's also what I noticed when I went there about 8 or 9 years ago. It's called the US Virgin Islands, after all.

IIRC, all the rental vehicles were little Japanese mini-SUVs like the Suzuki Sidekick. Maybe you don't want to slum it like that, but what about an FJ Cruiser? IIRC the Montero is also popular down there. Wouldn't parts/maintenance be more of an issue for "exotic" marques like Mercedes and Land Rover on an island in the middle of the Caribbean?

[Paul K]

Originally Posted by Tishabet

Any reason not to consider a 110 instead of the 90? I am spooked by the importing process...

I really don't need anything that long, plus the taxes on taking a rig into the USVI are based on weight. Importing is actually quite easy from the UK.

Originally Posted by cmccuist

Why the stipulation for RHD?

Just seems wrong to drive on the other side of the road in a LHD rig. I doubt they're going to change (cars or direction) anytime soon.

Originally Posted by Noah930

What about an FJ Cruiser? Wouldn't parts/maintenance be more of an issue for "exotic" marques like Mercedes and Land Rover on an island in the middle of the Caribbean?

I had an FJ when they first came out. Didn't like it. Saw a few down there, but the visibility & rear seat access really suck, plus they don't offer it in a diesel.

As for maintenance, I plan to bring the rig into the US first, get it set up the way I want, then ship it down there.

[cmccuist]

I lived on St Croix for awhile and loved it there. St Croix is the "big" island and has rain forest and desert. St Thomas is the populated island that gets most of the tourism and St John is the expensive one where a half acre lot is $1 MM!

The roads are pretty good there and the max speed limit is 55 - which is the road from Christiansted to Fredricksted. All the other roads are slow going. I had a pickup truck (company car), but like Noah said, we also got around ok with a Suzuki.

I liked the pickup for putting my dive gear in and general moving stuff about the island. As far as airport runs, the airport in St Croix is only 15 miles from any point on the island.

[Seahawk]

I owned a 1994 Defender 90 with a rare (for that year) aluminum hardtop for three years.

Interesting vehicle: Most of the "big stuff" is done right, it is the little items of interest that get frustrating. There are any number of forums (and I would pm HHI944 as well) that can give you the skinny. Also, for off road, the old ones do not have a locking rear diff. My 1999 Tacoma Trd smoked my D90 off road.

That said, I will probably own another one.

To your needs, however, the D90 is not the right car...the rear seat/stowage area is a joke and very cramped, and difficult to access. D90 are not passenger cars. I took the rear seat out. A D90 will not seat seven and luggage.

A Hilux with a hard cover over the bed makes much better sense, or the MB.

[Paul K]

Originally Posted by cmccuist

I lived on St Croix for awhile and loved it there. St Croix is the "big" island and has rain forest and desert. St Thomas is the populated island that gets most of the tourism and St John is the expensive one where a half acre lot is $1 MM!

The roads are pretty good there and the max speed limit is 55 - which is the road from Christiansted to Fredricksted. All the other roads are slow going. I had a pickup truck (company car), but like Noah said, we also got around ok with a Suzuki.

I liked the pickup for putting my dive gear in and general moving stuff about the island. As far as airport runs, the airport in St Croix is only 15 miles from any point on the island.

We're in the process of buying a house on a half acre lot on St. Thomas. Max speed on that island is 35! We'll probably spend most of our time on St. Thomas, with occasional jaunts over to St. John. Both islands have lots of steep twisty roads & tight parking spaces, hence my desire for a short wheelbase.

FWIW, here's the house;

Originally Posted by Seahawk

I owned a 1994 Defender 90 with a rare (for that year) aluminum hardtop for three years.

Interesting vehicle: Most of the "big stuff" is done right, it is the little items of interest that get frustrating. There are any number of forums (and I would pm HHI944 as well) that can give you the skinny. Also, for off road, the old ones do not have a locking rear diff. My 1999 Tacoma Trd smoked my D90 off road.

That said, I will probably own another one.

To your needs, however, the D90 is not the right car...the rear seat/stowage area is a joke and very cramped, and difficult to access. D90 are not passenger cars. I took the rear seat out. A D90 will not seat seven and luggage.

A Hilux with a hard cover over the bed makes much better sense, or the MB.

Seems as though the weak point of the NAS Defenders is the anemic 4.0 engine, whereas I would fit a newer Turbo Diesel unit. What are the other 'little items'? Rear seat area in the UK models is better, as seen here (seats fold up out of the way);

[kaisen]

If I were consulting professionally, I'd ask you a hundred questions about what you were trying to accomplish and why the obvious choices don't fit your needs and, more importantly, desires.

But I think I know you a little bit, and what you desire is a SWB RHD Diesel Defender/90. So that's really what you should be getting. Retirement is about realizing the dreams you've put off for a lifetime of sacrifice and compromise. At least that's my take.

Is diesel more available on the island than gasoline?