Sniper Training ...

[M.D. Holloway]

Now Everyone Can be a Sniper (if this works)

gotta say 'hmmmm'

[Hard-Deck]

it works.

[sca037]

Ain't technology grand!

Brian

[9dreizig]

will it kill black widows??

[widebody911]

Yeah, but will it pick up transvestites in a 928?

[widgeon13]

I like it!

[Joeaksa]

Originally Posted by LubeMaster77

Now Everyone Can be a Sniper (if this works)

gotta say 'hmmmm'

Would disagree that "everyone can be a sniper" but it will make it so that everyone can hit a target most of the time.

There is so much more to what a sniper does (and has to do) that a simple weapon and the ability to hit a target is about 20% of the mission.

[vonsmog]

What if the target is moving? Say like a coyote or deer? will it still lock on to it?

[BlueSkyJaunte]

Originally Posted by Joeaksa

Would disagree that "everyone can be a sniper" but it will make it so that everyone can hit a target most of the time.

There is so much more to what a sniper does (and has to do) that a simple weapon and the ability to hit a target is about 20% of the mission.

+ 7.62x51

[Jeff Higgins]

To the less than technologically savy shooter, or to the non-shooter, I'm sure this appears to be a viable idea. It simply is not - not in any way, shape, or form. This is just another snake oil salesman. I'm not sure what his motives may be, but rest assured, what he demonstrates in this video is impossible for a number of very, very simple reasons.

For this to work, the "system" must be able to either affect the bullet in flight or it must be able to re-align the barrel to make up for the shooter's poor aim. This sytem, as shown, has no way to do either of those things.

Once a bullet leaves the muzzle of a conventional firearm, it's on it's own. It is then subject to atmospheric conditions of wind and humidity, but no longer subject to any influence from the firearm that launched it.

Conventional firearms have barrels fixed rigidly to their receivers, which in turn are fixed rigidly to their stocks. The shooter is the interface between the optics and the muzzle, the one who decides where that barrel is pointing when the trigger is pulled. If the trigger is pulled when the optics show the rifle to be aligned off-target as shown in this video, there must be some sort of mechanical interface between the optics and the barrel that will re-align the barrel with the target before the bullet is released.

Even beyond that, if one must "identify" one's target with one pull of a trigger, or press of a button, or whatever it is - while the crosshairs or dot are properly aligned on the target - then go back again and pull the trigger once it is re-aligned, what good is that?

And, even beyond all of that, any experienced long range shooter will tell you that the afore mentioned atmospheric conditions are the real "meat and potatoes" of long range shooting. Bullet drift is a function of the cross wind component of any given wind and the deceleration of the bullet in flight. Bullet drop is a function altitude density, or humidity, plus the headwind or tailwind component of any given wind, along with that deceleration. To make matters worse, none of this will be constant over any given patch of real estate. The wind at 100 yards, much less 1,000 yards, can (and most likely will) be different than it is at the firing point, and it can change multiple times between as well. Let's not forget updrafts and downdrafts due to intervening terrain, either. All have very dramatic affect on the path of the bullet.

Just for fun, anyone care to guess what the wind drift at 1,000 yards for the .338 Lapua shown in the video might be, say for the very simplest of cross wind conditions? How about, say, a steady, down the entire range, 10 mph cross wind? For those who would like to calculate it (or look it up), assume a 250 grain bullet with a ballistic coefficient of, say, a very generous .600, and a muzzle velocity of 3,000 fps. You might be surprised...

Anyway, until this gee-wiz device can compensate for all of that, it will remain just so much snake oil for the easily impressed.

[HardDrive]

Just another inane example of American morons who think that its neat to 'play soldier'. War isn't a f*ching game.

[HardDrive]

Higgins has said this before, and its worth repeating (Something to this effect anyway). Send some gungho moron into a section of woods with that contraption. At the other end, we'll put in a good old boy with the lever action .30-30 he's been shooting his entire life. Good old boy will be home in time for lunch. Gungho moron will be pushing up daisies.

[M.D. Holloway]

Jeff, agree hense my 'hmmm'.

To answer your question, I was taught (and it has been some time) thats MOA Windage = (Range x Windspeed) / 15

I guess at 1000 divide by 11...

[McLovin]

Originally Posted by Joeaksa

There is so much more to what a sniper does (and has to do) that a simple weapon and the ability to hit a target is about 20% of the mission.

And the ability to execute a monkey roll is another 50%, so what's the rest?

[M.D. Holloway]

JBM - Calculations

[ckelly78z]

Yes, but it won't be commercially available until January of 2013.....We all know that's too late for the apocolypse, right ?

[flipper35]

This would work perfectly fine on a man sized target at the range they showed in the video. It would also work if the weapon was an m249 mounted and controlled remotely with a feed from the optics. A click of the mouse and it would be great for suppressing the terrorists attacking a remote outpost if you had a few of those. Especialy with night vision and/or IR.

[DonDavis]

Originally Posted by widebody911

Yeah, but will it pick up transvestites in a 928?

Winner!

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by NotaBRG

It looks like it has the ability to pull the trigger when the target is in the site.

So, you think it delays firing until the shooter just happens to wobble back accross the target, like the pitch and roll trigger in a battleship? Sorry, but the rifle shown has no such fire control mechanism.

Plus, you are still assuming the shooter held steady enough to mark the target in the first place.

Originally Posted by NotaBRG

No need to hold steady or stay on target.

See above - there is at some point.

Originally Posted by NotaBRG

Locate the target and mark it. And then when you are back on target it pulls the trigger.

Uh huh... again, see above. You are not much of a shooter (or engineer), are you?

Originally Posted by LubeMaster77

Jeff, agree hense my 'hmmm'.

Yup, you're the only one so far who seems to get it.

I like that JBM website you linked. I could kill a lot of time on that one.

The rest of you guys, c'mon - there are a myriad of very obvious technical challenges that have not even been addressed with this thing. I barely scratched the surface.

[lane912]

holding the firearm on target when it is fired, not flinching nor jerking durring the recoil.
how does it do that?

with just some pratice you can do this all on your own. I learned how and had no real traing