Is it our Hip-Hop culture or our Gun culture....

[Baz]

.....that encourages so much violence and moral erosion in our youth?

I was thinking about that this morning.

Guns have been part of America since day one.

Hip-Hop....not so much.

Thoughts?

[Rick Lee]

I dunno. I always listened to heavy metal and watched violent movies. Always had access to guns too. Never thought about hurting someone. I think I was in one fight in middle school.

[onewhippedpuppy]

I've never been much on blaming tv and movies for actual violent behavior, in my opinion it's a convenient way to avoid the real issue. I think you can look at a lot of factors that contribute. Increase in divorce rate, increase in number of single parents (lots of boys with no positive male role model), no focus of morality in schools or culture, lack of emphasis on morality enforcers like church, increased emphasis on instant gratification, increase of government entitlements, etc. At the core the parents are to blame, but it's no longer PC to say such things.

[vash]

i'm with rick. i do blame the hip hop world for that stupid ass sideways handgun grip. (ironically, i think it is a good thing because it is so inaccurate.)

guns are a tool. like my hammer and chainsaw. it shouldnt be "culture".

[stomachmonkey]

Think it's more so that anyone can share information/media you are just hearing/seeing more of what has always been going on.

Take pedophiles, I don't think there are more of them than there were in the past. Back then "nice people" did not talk about those things or discuss family business in public. You just kept an eye on Uncle Johhnie and did not leave him alone with the kids.

Just my opinion, no data to back it up with.

[Rick Lee]

Oh, it's definitely a culture. Took this one yesterday after a good hour wait. The place was packed to the gills. Lots of kids with their folks, even a few dogs.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Rick, that is simply awesome. Even more fun if you have some anti-gun relatives.

[Cannonball996]

Violence is nothing new, it just gets more media attention these days.

[MT930]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

I've never been much on blaming tv and movies for actual violent behavior, in my opinion it's a convenient way to avoid the real issue. I think you can look at a lot of factors that contribute. Increase in divorce rate, increase in number of single parents (lots of boys with no positive male role model), no focus of morality in schools or culture, lack of emphasis on morality enforcers like church, increased emphasis on instant gratification, increase of government entitlements, etc. At the core the parents are to blame, but it's no longer PC to say such things.

+1

I would rather be shot than listen to Hip Hop.

[HardDrive]

I'm probably going to get banned, but speaking the truth has its risks. Lets dispense with the 'Hip Hop' euphemism.

I think everyone who pays attention to the issue knows that black on black violence is a huge component of the gun violence statistics in this country. The governments refusal to track the ethnicity of perpetrators and victims of gun violence is a disgusting attempt to hide the deep sickness in inner city black culture. The anti-gun groups have been handed defeat after defeat, because the American public knows the truth. Its easy to see, all one has to do is watch the news, and look at the color of the faces when news reports of gun crime come on the screen. Thats not racism. Thats reality.

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by Cannonball996

Violence is nothing new, it just gets more media attention these days.

That is true, but the murders and killings are now much more common over stupid things.

The drugs bring in the gangs. Al Capone killed a few folks that got in his way but nothing remotely like the drug cartels of today.

[TechnoViking]

People fear what they don't understand.

Tree-huggers don't understand guns so they blame the guns for violence.

Old white men on car forums don't understand hip-hop so they blame hip-hop for violence.

[Rot 911]

Originally Posted by HardDrive

I'm probably going to get banned, but speaking the truth has its risks. Lets dispense with the 'Hip Hop' euphemism.

I think everyone who pays attention to the issue knows that black on black violence is a huge component of the gun violence statistics in this country. The governments refusal to track the ethnicity of perpetrators and victims of gun violence is a disgusting attempt to hide the deep sickness in inner city black culture. The anti-gun groups have been handed defeat after defeat, because the American public knows the truth. Its easy to see, all one has to do is watch the news, and look at the color of the faces when news reports of gun crime come on the screen. Thats not racism. Thats reality.

This. It isn't politically correct to say, so let's ignore the problem. Or point the fingers elsewhere.

[Baz]

I guess Hip-Hop is not so bad after all...here's a catchy tune for example....what harm could this song do to our youth?

[vash]

Originally Posted by TechnoViking

Old white men on car forums don't understand hip-hop so they blame hip-hop for violence.

while i am not Caucasian..you apparently HAVE seen my dance skills.. i take the hip and the hop literally.

[epbrown]

Originally Posted by HardDrive

Thats not racism. Thats reality.

That's BS. It's this attitude that's the problem, because it makes violence in inner cities seems unsolvable - "hey, those people are like that, whatchagonnado?" The motivations for gang violence have never changed and they've got nothing to do with race, and everything to do with politics.

[herr_oberst]

I think Gütenberg and the invention of movable type are responsible for what is happening in our culture.

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by herr_oberst

I think Gütenberg and the invention of movable type are responsible for what is happening in our culture.

Nope, it is electricity that is the root cause.

[futurefun]

The proliferation of hip hop has not made the world a better place. The ghetto/prison perspective is not so much about solutions it is the antithesis of the best that was at the heart of the 60s & 70s. I would not want my grand daughters to grow up in a hip hop world.

[Taz's Master]

Originally Posted by epbrown

That's BS. It's this attitude that's the problem, because it makes violence in inner cities seems unsolvable - "hey, those people are like that, whatchagonnado?" The motivations for gang violence have never changed and they've got nothing to do with race, and everything to do with politics.

Really? It is reasonable to consider racial implications for employment or education, but not as a demographic factor for crime or violence? Can we properly address the issue of black on black violence, if we insist on ignoring the black part? If it is all really gang violence or urban violence, can we effect any improvements without intentionally trying to build up the black communities in our society, or might it help to look seriously at cultural differences that racially divide our society?